Originally Posted by Corporal Punishment 69
@ Sethis: I don't think most people here care about religion either, so I don't think the concious idea of sin is involved. I do think that the people here are much freer sexually, sex is shown on TV during the daytime at times when the kids can see it and is not at all "taboo", so maybe this has an effect?
I suppose there is something to the idea that the more you repress something, the more extreme it is when it finally gets released... Maybe people in your country are more open to trying something "exotic" in the bedroom, so when a book comes out focusing on those "exotic" practices, it makes less of a fuss, because your population is like "yeah, we've all tried it" whereas our population is like "OMG this is even possible??".
But I have zero experience of Spanish Culture (the closest I've come is Crete/Greece - which we can agree is not very) so I can't speculate on that part.
Here is the problem though for me Sethis. I don't want to read the books as I know that they are not going to interest me, therefore I will not be able to attain any kind of enjoyment out of them.
Book... Cover... Judging...?
What I actually started this topic for was to discuss the phenomenon that has erupted in the public sphere where a book is being heralded as a 'Marriage Saver', 'Starting a Baby Boom in the UK', is acceptable 'Mummy Porn', andis literally flying off the shelves at all major book outlets and is supposedly releasing the 'Inner Goddess' of every woman in the Western World.
Whatever your intentions, so far it's been a litany of people taking the piss, rather than a discussion of any kind. And despite the lamping of the term "Inner Goddess" (and yes, it is used a little too often in the books prose) it actually effectively describes how a lot of people feel inside their own minds. A lot of people do feel that there are different voices/desires in their heads that sometimes conflict, and they have to make decisions that satisfy one or the other. It's a phrase that it's easy to take the piss out of, but actually does work reasonably well in the context in which it is used.
1. Grey is a 'smoldering' Billionaire who is deeply scarred from a relationship he had for 8 years starting when he was 15 with his mothers friend.
Incorrect. His mother is dead for a long time by this point, and the scarring comes from his early childhood (birth til 4-5yrs), and is actually helped by this relationship more than he is hurt (although some hurt does occur).
2. The book is filled with 'accidents' that account for 90% of what transpires in the book, i.e. Anastasia only meets Grey because her friend is sick with the flu.
Yes, there are points where coincidences seem a little too frequent. However show me ANY dramatic work that progresses entirely logically with no chance/random events happening?
3. Anastasia's friends dad bought the two of them a luxury apartment in Seattle when they completed their studies ... just because.
People are rich. And?
4. Anastasia was a virgin who had rarely or never drunk alcohol until a certain point in the novel, and then she was sick, and Grey magically turned up to get her because ... he knew she was at a party because his brother is also sh*gging Anastasia's best friend, who happens to be a man eater but changes her ways immediately for Grey's brother.
Yes, she is a virgin. Yes, she doesn't drink. Not exactly unbelievable in a country which actively promotes marriage before sex. The fact that she's never masturbated is a little more unbelievable... And I can't even be bothered to explain how badly wrong that explanation of her friend and the party is.
5. Anastasia had to enter a ridiculous 'contract' with Grey which included absurdities such as seeing a fitness trainer four times a week, and accepting anything the 'dominant' asks of the submissive.
She NEVER SIGNS THE CONTRACT. She THINKS about it, and refuses. The "contract" is a reasonably common part of the D/s subculture found across the world. It is a little more extreme than most, and a little less extreme than others. If you're going to have consensual non-consent, you need to be clear about drawing the lines, and having it all written down saves a lot of pain and misunderstanding later.
6. She was a virgin till she met Grey, but then suddenly she had the best sex of her life with a smoldering billionaire who is also hung like a horse AND enagages in anal sex during her first time, loves that, then the next morning has a bath with him and performs oral sex like a pro. So she was a Virgin, then in the space of 24hrs had performed, oral, vaginal and anal sex.
Doesn't have anal sex, ever. Uses a butt plug once, later in the series. It's a romantic novel, so of course he's hung like a horse and the sex is amazing. Who would enjoy reading "The adventures of Frigid Sally and Needle-Dick the Bug Fucker"? Really? The fact that she has no apparent gag reflex is something that again strained belief a bit unnecessarily, but have you heard of the "Pedestal" problem?
On top of what sounds like a horrible plot that is more than vaguely misogynistic, and I bet if it was written by a man, it would be classified as such too.
A man being in charge of the relationship is not mysogynistic provided it is consensual. This is the biggest hurdle in thinking that critics need to get the fuck over.
Another literary classic which is supposed to be infinitely superior is the Story of O. It is set in France and has practically the same storyline, the only diferrence being that it is well written, but it isn't flying off the shelves to the tune of one million pounds a week.
It isn't the same at all, as you would know if you'd read either of them.