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05-12-11 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sonn View Post
I am curious about what Horus told Cruze to tell the Lion during their talk. Maybe it was something about Guilliman's intentions. In regards to the Lion's loyalty, his comments to Cruze in the 2nd paragraph of Pg. 390 tells the reader where his loyalty lies IMO.
it was probably 'thanks for the siege cannons you gave perturbo, sucker!'
04-30-11 08:22 PM
FORTHELION My own personal opinion on Guilleman, is that he thinks the loyalists wont be able to stop horus taking the palace. I think he thinks that the Imperium is more important than the Emperor and is willing to let him die to preserve the Imperium. So he is waiting for horus to take the palace and then use the loyalist iron warrior to help him retake the palace and defeat Horus. I.E the end of Iron Within the iron warrior says show me the palace and ill show u its weakness. In numerous ocasions throught a few of the stories it talks about Guillemans plan and some may consider him traitor for it. Maybe a shot in the dark.

Any opinions?
04-30-11 06:34 PM
AgentOrange24 Just finished it last night:

The way I read it, it didn't seem to me like Guilliman wanted the IW to reinforce the Imperial Palace, but the Fortress of Hera.

Throughout the whole book, I got the feeling that RG believed that the Emperor would ultimately lose, and thus spent his time preparing for this so he could carry on the "cause" of the Imperium.

I personally don't like where this is going.

After years and years of "was the Lion loyal?!" it seems like we're getting ready to start spending more and more time saying "What about Guilliman!" I don't like the idea that something as... "large??" as RG knowing about the Heresy, and choosing to stay in Ultramar to prepare for the ultimate defeat of the Emperor, was put forth in a 60 page short story.

Ultimately with this new look they appear to be giving to the Ultramarines, I feel a retcon, or two, or three for the future.
04-29-11 03:57 PM
ckcrawford Good review. There were certainly some new elements that (at least to me) question what was really going on with Guilliman during the Heresy.
04-29-11 03:46 PM
Angel of Blood It only really just occured to me about the Alpha Legionaires final words in The Face of Treachery. "In times such as these, even the most trusted face can conceal an enemy."

Now, whilst quite easily just telling the World Eater that spies can be anywhere, what is the point in telling him? It's almost a 'no shit Sherlock' style statement to make to a dying World Eater, but more meaning to us perhaps. Now possiibly and probably a long shot and a leap, but Valerius spent a good deal of time trying to gain Branne and the Raven Gauards complete trust as is finally rewarded with it. And then only in the next scene we are shown what trust can lead to. Again, bit of a leap, but interesting to me nonetheless
04-27-11 01:46 AM
CursedUNTILLDEATH So far on Face of Treachery and the collection has been underwhelming. McNeil's normal brilliance just isn’t in Rules of Engagement, and I though the part were the ultra's are fighting a certain legion to be completely baffling. I didn’t much care of swallow’s story either. It was good, but I really saw it coming, he gave away the twist much too early for me.

Kyme I don’t even want to speak of. The marines ruined the whole story with their "IM ANGRY GRRRRRRRR, IM A ANGRY MARINE!!!" attitude that Kyme seems not to be able to break. The Last Remebercar has been my favorite so far, I was rather surprised by French. He gave a great look at Dorn's feelings about the Imperuim and it was very well written.

Great job with the review, glad to see you at it again
04-26-11 05:50 PM
mal310 Fantastic review, I agree with a lot of what you have written, especially re the Dark Angles.
04-26-11 02:54 PM
sonn I am curious about what Horus told Cruze to tell the Lion during their talk. Maybe it was something about Guilliman's intentions. In regards to the Lion's loyalty, his comments to Cruze in the 2nd paragraph of Pg. 390 tells the reader where his loyalty lies IMO.
04-24-11 10:37 AM
gharbad Nice review, its refreshing to see a review that is brave enough to give low grades
04-23-11 07:02 PM
Bane_of_Kings Another fantastic review CotE. If you want to read more of John French's works, you can check out Hunted by John French in Hammer and Bolter 4.
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