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03-08-11 03:47 PM
gen.ahab
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Originally Posted by Whitehorn View Post
Technically, you could compare them side to side. Let's look at pre-heresy marines that survive today and see how powerful they are.

Abaddon
Ahriman
Bjorn
Fabius Bile
Lucius
Typhon
You couldn't use them, with the exception of Bjorn, as a basis for comparison because they have all had their chaos booster shots.
03-08-11 11:56 AM
LukeValantine Wow its amazing that almost every CSM special character is at least 1000 years old (this is a highly conservative estimate do to time dilation in the warp). With the exception of huron of cause.
03-08-11 10:46 AM
Whitehorn Technically, you could compare them side to side. Let's look at pre-heresy marines that survive today and see how powerful they are.

Abaddon
Ahriman
Bjorn
Fabius Bile
Lucius
Typhon
02-26-11 01:06 PM
Fallen DA Yeah, I'd have to go with Pre-Heresy Marines. They may of had limited contact with Orcs etc initially, but after 10,000 years those left will have fought anything and everything.
02-25-11 09:49 PM
Jackinator
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Originally Posted by Commissar Schultz View Post
but they were the Originals, and had'nt fought Orcs, Elder or any other xeno's before so that was a first.
I'd just like to point out here that everyone who has posted about them fighting orks has managed to misread his post, he merely said they hadn't fought orks before. That is to say, the great crusade was their first time fighting orks. Not that they did not fight orks at all, just that they hadn't fought them before.
02-25-11 08:33 PM
TheReverend
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Originally Posted by Marneus Calgar View Post
But like you said, they hadn't fought Orks, Themselves, things from the warp (much), Eldar, Dark Eldar etc. So, in my opinion, knowledge is power in this case
Don't forget that no one had fought them, either, so they had the element of surprise. Even the Eldar would have been like "WTF!!" Just like when the Tau and Tyranids appeared and took everyone off guard. Now they're just predictable...
02-25-11 08:32 PM
Khorne's Fist Considering the stagnation of technology in the Imperium, and the inability to re-engineer the failed implants that some of the chapters suffer from would indicate to me that current marines are watered down versions of the originals. There are a couple times in novels where CSMs call the modern marines weaklings, and while some of this may be just taunting an enemy, there is probably a grain of truth in it. 10,000 years of dilution of the geneseed has to lead to some serious degradation.

As to the crap about the preHeresy marines not having fought orks, or whatever, totally wrong. Didn't Horus save the Emperor from an ork warlord? They spent 200 years of the great crusade fighting the worst the galaxy could throw at them. All this after spending years fighting in the Unification Wars. The last thing they were was inexperienced.

I'm reading Savage Scars at the moment, and it retells the first real combat between marines and the Tau. Marines learn very fast, but their approach doesn't really change no matter who they fight, mash it from a distance, then get up close and personal.
02-25-11 04:10 PM
Luisjoey Dont you know that OLDER TIMES ARE BETTER?

Wh40k applies that a lot! is a kind of philosophy! Post heresy space marines doesnt know how technology works, is a dark age.
02-25-11 02:38 PM
VaeVictis99 Numbers and focus made the pre-heresy so strong. Each had a primarch and thousands of space marine, ultramarines and word bearers each had over 100 thousand marines, 100 'current' chapters. They had a set goal, if not human you die. They had their brothers right around a corner if things got difficult.

Chaos has weeded the weak marines out, 10k years of fighting, only the strong have survived, unfortunately the tabletop game doesnt really display them, more renegade chapters with some chaos god influence IMO.
02-25-11 01:47 PM
Khorothis
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Originally Posted by Doelago View Post
I would rate the "modern" marines above the Pre-Heresy ones, just cause it sounds logical to me... No idea why...
Most likely because you're used to progress as time goes by. Unfortunately, theres no progress in the Imperium. Otherwise the Mechanicum wouldn't be a bunch of hardwired dipshits praying to a fucking toaster. Sure, they're cool as a concept (love them and I still hope there'll be an AdMech Codex one day), but when you take a more serious perspective they don't look so smart.
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