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04-08-09 11:26 PM
ItsPug Galahad has the rules correct
The 3rd paragraph on pg 51 BRB says "except for the rule detailed in this section for each unit type, these units follow the same rules as infantry"

When moving assaulting models you "use the same rules as in the movement phase", that is; models in the way, different movement speeds, turning and facing etc. (Except terrain, as bikes under the assault section of their rules on page 53, "are not slowed by difficult terrain")
04-08-09 09:42 PM
Anim
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Originally Posted by Flakey View Post
I do not see any jokes there, only 2 senior members suggesting the use of physical violence as a means of solving arguments, or when you get annoyed.
Stop trolling or go away.

OT: Assaulting is 6" unless otherwise specified (by being cavalry/beast)
04-08-09 08:49 PM
Culler
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Originally Posted by Galahad View Post
I;ve got a rule that says they charge like infantry. Have you got a rule that says they don't?
Yeah. p. 34 where it says:
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Originally Posted by Da Rulz
All of the models in an assaulting unit make their assault move following the same rules as in the Movement phase...
And bikes move 12" according to their entry on p. 53. The confusing thing about the rule on page 51 does say that each unit follows the rules for infantry unless otherwise specified, but then it goes on to specify for jump infantry, the other 12" mover, but not for bikes. Pretty easy to chalk that up to typical GW writing though. The rule on page 51 does supersede the general rule on assaults though, being more specific in scope, and so we have our answer.

It's nice to have a valid answer to a valid question, though it could have done without the attitude. "But that's bollocks (because I say so with nothing to support my claim)", sarcasm, and threats of physical violence are not really helpful when looking for something solid in the rulebook for clarification.
04-08-09 11:14 AM
Flakey
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Originally Posted by Galahad View Post
The jokes about violence aren't a sign of a weak argument, just an expression of annoyance at people who try to get around the rules.
I do not see any jokes there, only 2 senior members suggesting the use of physical violence as a means of solving arguments, or when you get annoyed.
04-08-09 09:03 AM
Galahad p51, near the top
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Originally Posted by da rulz
Except for the rules detailed in this section for each unit type, these units follow the rules for infantry.
This means unless it says specifically in the unit type entry, the models of this type behave exactly as infantry under a given set of circumstances.

Infantry charge 6"
Unless the rules explicitly state otherwise (such as with cavalry), all other units charge 6"

Nothing in the entry for bikes (or jump packs, or jetbikes for that matter) says that they may move 12" in the assault phase.

The jokes about violence aren't a sign of a weak argument, just an expression of annoyance at people who try to get around the rules.

I;ve got a rule that says they charge like infantry. Have you got a rule that says they don't?
04-08-09 06:22 AM
Flakey It is interesting that opponents of this notion can only offer violence as their response. Kind of shows the weakness of their stance.
04-08-09 05:16 AM
Marshal Balian maddermax is all over it. Bikes only assault 6 inches.

I like to smack people in the head with the BRB.... Alot.....
04-08-09 03:58 AM
Culler
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Then point them to the bike movement rules which say that bikes move 12 inch "in the movement phase"...and only in the movement phase.
Thing is that regular infantry movement is also explicitly stated as "in the movement phase" with the same wording as the bikers in the biker entry.

Honestly, it kinda makes sense too. Jump infantry zoom forward on jetpacks and then charge on foot but a biker doesn't get off his bike and push it into assault.
04-08-09 02:48 AM
maddermax Well, firstly if anyone tries this, smack them in the head with the rule book a few times - physical violence is the best way to ensure fair gameplay

Then point them to the bike movement rules which say that bikes move 12 inch "in the movement phase"...and only in the movement phase. Otherwise, they follow the same rules for infantry, which have a 6" move and assault.

Now, you may say "but it says follow the same rules as in the movement phase", but thats bollocks. you're following the same rules as infantry have in the movement phase, as bikes can use their 12" move only in the movement phase, not in the assault phase. In the assault phase, they're still normal infantry.

Its a tricky thing if you're going to pick it apart raw wise, but still, smacking people in the head with a rule book when they they try to pull this sort of thing really helps solve a number of problems.
04-08-09 02:16 AM
Lucus009 All I could find to disprove this is the eldar jetbike rule. Is states that the bikes are allowed the 6in's of movement in the assault phase even if they don't assault. By useing that rule you can conclude that it is only 6in's. Also it doesn't state that the movement is move like movement in the movement phase in the bike type section of the book, since it dosen't list 12in directly I don't think you can move that far.
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