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|01-14-16 08:33 AM|
|01-13-16 06:13 PM|
|01-13-16 05:43 PM|
I saw the film again last night for the 2nd time. I noticed several things I missed the first time through…
1- Lots of small details like a tie fighter pilot helmet laying in the foreground when Rey’s heading off on her speeder, at least 4 star destroyers off in the distance near a wide shot of Starkiller base, two walkers moving in the distance while Han, Chewy, and Finn make their way into part of Starkiller to plant charges, the silver domed figure in this shot…
...is Captain Phasma (I was so focused on Hux making his speech when I first saw the film, I missed the frontal shot where you can clearly see it's Phasma), etc.
2- When Finn defects and the First Order is trying to figure out what’s going on, Captain Phasma explains that he reported to her division (as she ordered him too when he took off his helmet after the engagement on Jakku inside the troop transport) and was then ordered to go to re-conditioning. Even though it's mentioned ever so briefly, and Finn never explains this, I’m certain this is the reason he defected (i.e. escape/run rather than undergo the process of re-conditioning).
3- When Kylo Ren is interrogating Rey, he talks about how she had hard times sleeping while growing up on Jakku. He makes brief mention of her dreaming of an ocean and an island (a strange thing for a girl growing up on a desert world to be dreaming of). This is most certainly a reference to the original Jedi planet and island that Luke is on. I missed this the first time as at this point in the film you haven't seen where Luke is at. I for sure caught it the second time though. ...More evidence Rey is a Skywalker to go along with the lightsaber calling her, the force being strong with her, Maz saying that whoever Rey’s waiting for to come back and get her on Jakku isn’t coming back, but there is one who can... at which point Rey mutters, “Luke Skywalker?” Hmmm…
4- Without any explanation, C3P0 has his old arm back at the very end of the film. You can clearly see it when everyone is waving goodbye/good luck to Rey, Chewy, and R2D2 as they go off to find Luke. …Not sure what the red arm was about (a merchandising tool to sell yet a new version of C3P0?), but ok.
5- I caught this the first time but didn’t consider the importance of it. When Han and Leia are talking about their son, they talk about how Snoke seduced him. This is very different than Palpatine who did his best work in the shadows unseen. As Han, Leia, and presumably everyone else clearly knows about Snoke his actions must be out in the open. This makes me even more intrigued to find out who he was/is and what he’s all about.
6- Poe Dameron mentions the system that the First Order blew up (i.e. the one that housed the Senate/Republic). He calls it the Hosnian system. I think I remember him saying this the first time I saw the film, but with all the other information my brain was processing I quickly forgot it. I looked it up on Wookieepedia, etc. but found very little about it.
Originally Posted by ntaw View Post
The one thing I still don’t get is… why does Leia hug Rey so intently after she comes off the Falcon?
After they blow up Starkiller, the Falcon (and what’s left of the Resistance’s x-wings) land. When Rey disembarks the Falcon, Leia heads straight toward her and hugs her first thing. That wouldn’t be a problem except… she’s never seen Rey before.
While Han, Chewy, Finn, and BB8 were all rescued after Maz Kanata’s place was blown to tiny bits, Rey was carried off by Kylo Ren and brought to Starkiller base. There has to be something to this.
As if to make this even more poignant, after Finn is moved off the Falcon via medical hover bed, the camera pans back with everyone celebrating their recent victory at screen left. Off to screen right, all by themselves, is Leia and Rey still hugging.
Is it just that Leia’s is sensitive to other female characters who are hurting? Was Leia told by Chewy, Han, or Finn how Rey had really taken to Han as a father figure, and she feels for her/wants to comfort her? Or… does Leia know who Rey really is?
|01-12-16 06:42 PM|
I have a lot of complaints, though. I don't mind Kylo Ren as a character, but I was not happy with the actor playing him. Some scenes were good, but some just fell flat (and what was up with the accent? The actor doesn't have an accent normally, so why does he in TFA?).
What really pissed me off is that they had no time to actually explain ANYTHING that has happened in the intervening decades, but they had time for stupid cgi monster chase scenes that added NOTHING to the story?
Overall, I'd say it was a fun movie, but not a good movie. There was no tension with starkiller because as soon as you know it exists, they're blowing it up. I would've much preferred it if they had started out with starkiller blowing up the Republic, leaving only the resistance, who feels they only have a shot now if they find Luke Skywalker, kicking the movie off. That would have solved almost all of my complaints. I really hope the future movies are better.
EDIT: Also, it was definitely Finn being carted off the Falcon at the end, not Solo. They do show his face, he's just not center screen. They also show Leia reacting to Han's death (she felt it through the force).
|01-12-16 05:07 PM|
|01-12-16 05:00 PM|
|01-12-16 08:33 AM|
Movie was great. A little too similar to the original plot of the first trilogy so far. Also alot of missed oportunities for universe building, we barely got to see any new tech for this first order besides updated TIEs, Star Destroyer, and the Super Death Planet.
Honestly though the cast is great, I don't get the Kylo Ren Criticisms, he is just as he should be. Snivvly and childish, and wanting to be like grandpa, but not quite measuring up. I fully believe him maturing will be apart of his character plot. More should have been done with Fin's back story, because their is source material that build his character outside the movie, during his time as a trooper. The fact is though, who the hell even read that stuff? It was a poor decision on their part and it makes Fin's decisions look rather nonsensical. Phasma is also a flop of a character, for someone the specifically shoehorned into the movie to be a badass, she was little more than a chump and punchline in the movie (despite Marketing building it up to the contrary). Hopefully that is rectified later.
Please let Snoke be Plagueis. Also after all the Jar Jar Theories, I would like Jar Jar to tie into the Plagueis stuff. (The Only way I see it working is Sith Body Swapping powers, which were an ancient sith power for prolonging life, this tie in would make the power canon, as well as the Jar Jar Theories maybe.)
If not then Snoke is a real shitty villian that poofed out of no where. We need something to tie everything together, and this plot would be the one.
|01-12-16 05:59 AM|
Originally Posted by Tawa View Post
Originally Posted by ntaw View Post
Sarcasm aside, I bet youíre right, thereís probably more than a few scenes coming our way which might explain a plot hole or two.
|01-02-16 01:15 PM|
|ntaw||I feel like there will be a lot of added content when the DVD is released. LotR was a similar movie event and had hours and hours of added stuff, with how epic of a movie shoot this likely was (and let's face it, the sheer amount of consumer dollars that follow this franchise) there's bound to be stuff cut from the feature film that will be added back in for the at-home viewer. Heck, maybe it will even help explain a character trait here or there. Seems like we should have known a bit more about some of the people in this movie and it really wouldn't have taken much explanation.|
|01-02-16 12:42 PM|
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