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08-24-15 02:44 PM
Angel of Blood
Originally Posted by Roninman View Post
Iíll be damned if Iím not going to show up for its final dramas and its curtain calls.
08-24-15 12:05 PM
Roninman Seems that Graham has been offered job at Riot games.

If you donít want to read to the end, the short version is this: Iíve been offered Ė and have accepted Ė a job with Riot Games, the producer of the phenomenally successful League of Legends. Clan McNeill is moving to Los Angeles.
Iíve been chatting with Riot for a little while and now theyíve offered me the position of Senior Narrative Writer in their Los Angeles offices. So, yeah, in the summer weíre leaving Nottingham and the UK and relocating to sunny California in the US of A.
This wasnít a decision we took lightly. I enjoyed the work I was doing, where I was doing it and the way life revolved around our kids, friends, family, work, school and all the usual happenings that make up the everyday. We had Evan and Amber to think of, our own jobs and our house, our friends and families. We liked having all that close, and the idea of making such a life-changing upheaval was very scary. Far easier just to maintain the status quo, eh? In short, we were comfortable, but sometimes you need to change things up, to step out of your comfort zone, and I think we were all at that stage.
I first spoke with Riot back in December. I went over for an informal chat, not really knowing what to expect, but going in with an open mind. The people I met there were fantastic; full of passion and enthusiasm for what they were doing, and I came away feeling Iíd had a real meeting of minds with the spirit of Riotís creative heart. These were people who thrived on the sheer joy of creativity, where every avenue could be explored to see where it went. I came away tremendously excited at the possibility of working within those teams.
We went back over to California as a family in February so everyone could see LA and Santa Monica, to find out if it was a place we could see ourselves living and working. It most definitely was. And my second meeting with the creative types in Riot more than confirmed my desire to work with them. Their attitude to the work and the potential for all it offers in the future is incredible, which makes me tremendously excited about being part of it.
After some long, serious, grown-up talks about making the move, Anita and I came to the conclusion that the opportunities for our family were too incredible to pass up. Itís a life-changing adventure thatís going to be exciting and challenging all at the same time. Itís the kind of chance we had to snatch with both hands, as itís the kind that doesnít come around more than once. And Iíd hate to look back in years to come with any kind of regret for the chances we didnít take. So with a mixture of giggling excitement and trepidation at the thought of stepping into this brave new world, weíre getting packed up and looking west to this fresh phase of our future.
Ah, but what does this mean for all things WarhammerÖ?
Well, first and foremost, Iím a writer, so Iím not going to stop writing books any more than Iím going to choose to stop breathing. Iím still working on my current Horus Heresy novel, The Crimson King (Iíve just handed in the first halfÖ) and will continue to write for the Black Library. Clearly my output will diminish, what with having a full time, salaried day job, but Iíll still be keeping my hand in. I have stories of Uriel Ventris yet to tell and the Battle for Macragge isnít going to write itself. And, having been involved with the Horus Heresy series since its very opening act, Iíll be damned if Iím not going to show up for its final dramas and its curtain calls. Expect the odd quick read or audio to pop up here and there too. In short, Iím still going to keep you entertained with grim tales from the 41st Millennium, the Horus Heresy and beyond.
So, there you have it. As the summer dawns, Clan McNeill will be living it in California. Wish us well, and Iíll continue to talk to you all on Twitter, Facebook and e-mail.
05-13-15 06:45 PM
ckcrawford Not sure what to think about the guy honestly.

The Heresy Series really gave McNeill a chance to develop himself as a writer. And for a while it did. He had an excellent opportunity with A Thousand Sons to really study his characters and add their flaws. The debates we have had on these forums about whether Magnus was a piece of shit or a loyal son have been such great debates. And its because of the fact that McNeill was able to show both sides well and let the reader chose what to think.

McNeill's most masterful line was when he makes Magnus say something along the lines of, "They were going to destroy the library... and I stopped them." So many readers pretty much leave this book thinking the Thousand Sons and Magnus were picked on and didn't start anything. McNeill allowed reader to absorb everything else and avoid the little hints. It made the story beautiful.

The reason I mention A Thousand Sons is because it just seems so strange how bad he displays the villains in most of his novels. With Angel Exterminates, I feel he tried to display this, by making Perturabo look like a bro and his legion a bunch of crazy incompetent idiots. If an Imperial Guard regiment was depicted like that I wouldn't have taken the novel seriously.

Its that stereotypical villain that Mr. McNeill has fallen back on like a bad habit. Its absolutely disgusting, when considering how authors including himself have worked really hard on their novels to display the fallen legions with different aspects of evil and good. Its what I've said countless times, which is the fall of the legions was a folly well beyond simply the Imperium losing half of itself, but an Imperium fighting half of itself. How many times before the heresy and even a bit after have we heard, a war where brother fought brother and killed because of different beliefs. The emotion and true drama in the series is that the legions had fought side by side like brothers to make something beautiful and then tore each other apart.

Instead we have authors that do this stereotypical villainous horse shit. Evil laughter, curling their mustache and plotting to defeat the true good which is the Imperium. Its fucking dog shit.

Unfortunately, McNeill really puts himself in the middle between success and shit that has seriously damaged the series.
05-09-15 07:30 PM
forkmaster I did a review on The Outcast Dead and Wolf Hunt on my Youtube-channel for you who want to check it out, but overall problem is that McNeill tried to jam in enough material to feed 4 separate novellas. Only 1 of them were good, which was the stuff about the Astrotelepathica. The main-characters the Outcast didn't show up until after half the book and well they didn't leave any proper impression (1 even didn't even get a feature in the personae). I gave the tips that McNeill should have done a novella about the Astrotelepathica and explain the organisation just like he did with Mechanicum. Then it would lead up until the culimnation of Magnus coming to Terra.

Then the novel The Outcast Dead would pick up right from there, it would skip the whole Thunder Warriors-plot and it would integrate Wolf Hunt into the story. In that way it would explore the Astrotelepathica and then get the proper chance to develop the Outcast-characters fully beyond just mere stereotypes.

I'm currently working on Angel Exterminatus on how to fix that novel as well.
05-09-15 03:35 AM
Mob Thorpe's main problem isn't his plots or shallow characters, it's his almost unbearable approach to using commas. Or not, as the case may be.

McNeil's main problem as a writer is his ego.
05-07-15 07:06 AM
Doom wolf
Originally Posted by Stephen74 View Post

However, I think he does a brilliant job when he is creating interaction between characters. He definitely gives characters character and when reading his stuff I tend speed reed his filler crud to get to the good stuff.

He's not the worst BL writer (Gav Thorpe will always hold that title, even if they employ a two year old and give him some crayons) but I do approach his works with a mental shield in place in preparation of yet another stupid metaphor or description of the bloody warp.
Yeah, his sense of characterisation and interaction between characters will be definitely one of his main strenght.

So far, I found Gav Thorpe the worst, but not that unbearable, but having not the english for your first language must be helping...
05-07-15 03:02 AM
Phoebus Storm of Iron essentially got me into the milieu. Ah, the days before Honsou needed a mustache for him to twirl and MANIACAL LAUGHTER!

The first Ventris novel also entertained me, though not to the same extent.

False Gods was a decent return, but in hindsight it benefited from the initial excitement I felt about the Heresy series.

I was indifferent about Mechanicum, but was satisfied by A Thousand Sons. The Outcast Dead was an utter disappointment to me. Angel Extrminatus was incredibly frustrating because it could have been such an excellent story - really, the premise it presented should have set the standard for a novel that seeks to fill in what happened between Isstvan V and the Siege of Terra - but it was ultimately dragged down by weak supporting characters and an inexplicable attempt to reunite the cast of Storm of Iron.

By contrast, Vengeful Spirit features some well-written appearances by Little Horus and an excellent battle scene, with the other 90% being an assortment of unimaginative plot devices, some head-scratching moments where characters do the opposite of what one might expect with no plot indicators as to why, and an ending that culminates with a giant Deus Ex Machina.

What can I say other than that I am not at all surprised by the rumors that Graham will inherit the next Dark Angels novel from the too-busy hands of Dan Abnett.
05-06-15 08:44 PM
Angel of Blood The thing is. I like Mechanicum. I like A Thousand Sons. I even didn't mind Fulgrim and thought it did show the decline into depravity for the Emperors Children quite well. False Gods wasn't that bad when I first read it, I guess all the bad feelings I had towards it at the time, were discarded due to having just read the fantastic Horus Rising, even then, it isn't terrible. These were all my first experiences of Mcneill. Literally every single novel I have read from him since then, I have hated. I don't get it. And my poor opinion of him due to how bad his other novels are, has even managed to sour those first few upon further re-readings.
05-06-15 08:38 PM
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05-06-15 08:01 PM
Stephen74 I didn't think Vengeful Spirit was that bad for content. The character interaction was very good, it was just the overall story line that was a little iffy.
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