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04-12-15 03:44 PM
Tawa
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Really? I didn't see the Honsou reveal coming at all............................................... ......
Who's that......?
04-11-15 07:01 PM
Phoebus
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I know that? That's why I gave it as an example as a hint.
Apologies, Vaz - I completely misinterpreted your post! Color me embarrassed!
04-11-15 01:09 AM
Angel of Blood
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As opposed to "Guys, guys, I'm not giving anything away, but here's an entire book dedicated to creating a character in another book that might have had Iron warriors in it. With an Imperial Fist in it. Oh, an his name's a horribly contrived "Honourable Soulaka, you'll never guess who".
Really? I didn't see the Honsou reveal coming at all............................................... ......
04-10-15 10:45 PM
Vaz
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I'm not a big fan of McNeil's, but you're mixing up your authors here. It's Saur Damocles who has the "figure-of-eight serpent emblem", and the tie-in there is between Abnett's Know No Fear and Brothers of the Snake. Mileage will obviously vary on how much a reader might like this sort of tie-in, but I was happy to see a Chapter's hitherto unknown origins revealed.
I know that? That's why I gave it as an example as a hint.

As opposed to "Guys, guys, I'm not giving anything away, but here's an entire book dedicated to creating a character in another book that might have had Iron warriors in it. With an Imperial Fist in it. Oh, an his name's a horribly contrived "Honourable Soulaka, you'll never guess who".

It says a lot that I can't really explain the rest of what happens in Angel Exterminatus other than that.



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04-10-15 07:53 PM
Phoebus
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And hint is Ventanus having a blue snake as his chosen iconography.

What Graham McNeil does is base plots around his 40K books.
I'm not a big fan of McNeil's, but you're mixing up your authors here. It's Saur Damocles who has the "figure-of-eight serpent emblem", and the tie-in there is between Abnett's Know No Fear and Brothers of the Snake. Mileage will obviously vary on how much a reader might like this sort of tie-in, but I was happy to see a Chapter's hitherto unknown origins revealed.
03-21-15 06:02 PM
Garviel loken. "I was there the day horus fell"

Fuckin McNeill
03-21-15 01:21 PM
Vaz
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Yeah, the quote is old and used a lot amongst the Ultramarines. Graham is the author behind the 40k-version of the Ultramarines-series, so I would see it more as a hint to that rather than outright stealing.
And hint is Ventanus having a blue snake as his chosen iconography.

What Graham McNeil does is base plots around his 40K books.



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03-21-15 12:03 PM
Angel of Blood
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Yeah, the quote is old and used a lot amongst the Ultramarines. Graham is the author behind the 40k-version of the Ultramarines-series, so I would see it more as a hint to that rather than outright stealing.
McNeill, hinting his own work? Naaaaah, he NEVER does that.
03-21-15 08:23 AM
forkmaster
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either in know no fear, or Unremembered empire an ultramarine said "Today we march for Calth" wich is a parody itself from "we march for Macrage" (however you spell it)
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Dan abnett know no fear, VENTANUS says today we march for calth
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Dan abnett know no fear, VENTANUS says today we march for calth
Yeah, the quote is old and used a lot amongst the Ultramarines. Graham is the author behind the 40k-version of the Ultramarines-series, so I would see it more as a hint to that rather than outright stealing.

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I think his main faults are the aforementioned timeline / continuity meddling (which he just seems to do because he can, the end results are always weaker than the starting position), important character progression happening off-page, and his needless world-shrinking. Not everyone should have a book of Karkasy poems, be a fan of the artists from Fulgrim or be a distant ancestor of someone we know exists in 40K.
It would also be nice if he hadn't made his 40K Iron Warriors all the most important half-dozen dudes in the legion 10,000 years earlier who now have nowhere to go in terms of character.

Oh and while his real-world reference inclusion was cute at first it started to get cringe in Angel Exterminatus, and then the bit where Horus literally stops to explain to the reader the real world origin of Abaddon's name in Vengeful Spirit and how relevant thematically it is to the GW character was astonishingly obnoxious.
Yeah, that feels like a real breaking the illussion and 4th wall in a bad way. One thing when they say Horus was destined to fall, but another to talk about the origins of Abaddons name.
03-21-15 12:18 AM
Mob I think his main faults are the aforementioned timeline / continuity meddling (which he just seems to do because he can, the end results are always weaker than the starting position), important character progression happening off-page, and his needless world-shrinking. Not everyone should have a book of Karkasy poems, be a fan of the artists from Fulgrim or be a distant ancestor of someone we know exists in 40K.
It would also be nice if he hadn't made his 40K Iron Warriors all the most important half-dozen dudes in the legion 10,000 years earlier who now have nowhere to go in terms of character.

Oh and while his real-world reference inclusion was cute at first it started to get cringe in Angel Exterminatus, and then the bit where Horus literally stops to explain to the reader the real world origin of Abaddon's name in Vengeful Spirit and how relevant thematically it is to the GW character was astonishingly obnoxious.
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