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04-22-14 05:53 PM
MidnightSun
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Agreed, and to take it to an 11.....Pask in the punisher. However a wyvern will still come out on top on units that rely on going to ground in cover (and possibly stealth/shrouded like plaguebearers).
Yeah, Wyverns will do a number on any Xenos behind an Aegis Line, but you can spread out to minimise the impact of a small blast; with full 2" coherency, Wyverns can get 4 hits maximum unless they scatter nicely - although to be fair, Orks and Daemons and Tyranids are almost never going to get to 2" coherency because they simply don't have that much space on the board.

I'd say the Wyvern is a very effective anti-infantry tool, but due to the fragility of the chassis and the two fairly simply defenses against the gun (hiding behind something and/or spread out), I wouldn't say it's overpowered.
04-22-14 05:43 PM
Ravner298
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Vendettas and Sabres.







Maybe, but a Punisher comes pretty close and is stupidly more survivable.

Agreed, and to take it to an 11.....Pask in the punisher. However a wyvern will still come out on top on units that rely on going to ground in cover (and possibly stealth/shrouded like plaguebearers).
04-22-14 05:37 PM
MidnightSun
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You'll be hard pressed to find better AA per point than a hydra
Vendettas and Sabres.

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and better anti infantry per point than a wyvern
Maybe, but a Punisher comes pretty close and is stupidly more survivable.
04-22-14 03:52 PM
Zion
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So what? Still gonna sell well on the Wyvern alone. GW are a business, they know what they are doing.
The point was they'd sell more if they buffed both version of the kit, not just one. And as said I've seen a LOT of people talking about how not impressed they are by BOTH options in the kit so it's debatable if it even will be a "hot seller".
04-22-14 03:51 PM
Straken's_Fist
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Then why isn't the Hydra better? It's the same kit.
So what? Still gonna sell well on the Wyvern alone. GW are a business, they know what they are doing.
04-22-14 12:55 PM
Ravner298
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Losing "Ignores Jink" didn't need to be removed keep the points down, at least not as long as it doesn't have Interceptor.

I'm actually reading a number of Guard players who aren't sold on either model for a number of reasons, meaning neither of these kits really looks like a "hot seller".

Well to each their own of course. You'll be hard pressed to find better AA per point than a hydra, and better anti infantry per point than a wyvern, but obviously there are other ways to accomplish what they bring to the table.
04-22-14 12:50 PM
Zion
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Because it's the only non flier skyfire in the codex. And it's still damn effective for its points. Losing its jink ignore was pretty necessary to keep its points down, and the open top bit is largely irrelevent. They're still extremely strong AA, unless you're just going to rely on your 6-9 divination psychers and weight of dice to bring down air now instead.
Losing "Ignores Jink" didn't need to be removed keep the points down, at least not as long as it doesn't have Interceptor.

I'm actually reading a number of Guard players who aren't sold on either model for a number of reasons, meaning neither of these kits really looks like a "hot seller".
04-22-14 12:46 PM
Ravner298
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Then why isn't the Hydra better? It's the same kit.

Because it's the only non flier skyfire in the codex. And it's still damn effective for its points. Losing its jink ignore was pretty necessary to keep its points down, and the open top bit is largely irrelevent. They're still extremely strong AA, unless you're just going to rely on your 6-9 divination psychers and weight of dice to bring down air now instead.
04-22-14 12:41 PM
Zion
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I just want something to replace my Griffons...So seems this fits the bill nicely. I always thought Griffons were underrated, but Wyverns seem better and cheaper. GW obviously want to shift the new models, hence they are so cheap.
Then why isn't the Hydra better? It's the same kit.
04-22-14 12:29 PM
Straken's_Fist
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Like I said, it's extremely difficult to justify not getting 1-3 of these things. I've faced them on two different occasions now and they melt any backfield scoring unit and put so many wounds on other units with their re-roll everything you just kind of sit there scratching your head when you realize their point cost.
I just want something to replace my Griffons...So seems this fits the bill nicely. I always thought Griffons were underrated, but Wyverns seem better and cheaper. GW obviously want to shift the new models, hence they are so cheap.
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