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06-19-14 07:53 PM
Beaviz81
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Originally Posted by Serpion5 View Post
Improved in terms of raw power, but they inherit the same weaknesses as all daemons as part of the bargain.

Also worth noting is that Draigo did not technically destroy Mortarion, nor did he do it completely on his own. This is discussed earlier in this thread.
Wrong, part of the quotation is alone and unaided from page fifteen in the GK-codex. So it's there.
05-11-14 08:51 PM
emporershand89
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Originally Posted by MidnightSun View Post
Think about it - if Draigo couldn't banish Mortarion (not even kill him - banish him) and even then because he had a specific anti-Mortarion weapon in the form of the True Name, who exactly *could* battle a Daemon Primarch? You're dangerously close to making the Daemon Primarchs into the Daemon Mary Sues if you say that the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights armed with a True Name can't beat a Daemon Primarch in realspace.
I must concur with your assessment MidnightSun, he would have to have such ridiculous power and skill just to banish him; let along kill him. What I would ask is why people despise his Fluff so much when it's just that....Fluff. The writers created it, GW supports it, and amatuer novelists often make references to it.

Then why all the hate? Should we hate Ork Warlords and other Astartes Chapters who jump into the Eye of Terror in search of fighting Deamonics?
05-11-14 12:33 PM
Serpion5
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Originally Posted by Demon of Humanity View Post
Draigo is mary sue do you know what it took to banish angron 100 grey knights with heavy losses space wolves and IG with heavy losses as well. And this guy draigo is able to solo one it ridiculous

Deamon primarchs are not run of the mill deamons. they were once the best mankind had now improved by deamonic warp power
Improved in terms of raw power, but they inherit the same weaknesses as all daemons as part of the bargain.

Also worth noting is that Draigo did not technically destroy Mortarion, nor did he do it completely on his own. This is discussed earlier in this thread.
05-11-14 01:36 AM
Brobaddon There's one thing that people need to realize when it comes to demon primarchs..... Yes they are insanely powerful, yes they are even stronger then greater demons ( in most cases ) but the problem is in the fact that they are demons.

Primarchs in my opinion actually got weaker when they turned to demonhood. Everything in Grey knight's arsenal works against them, especially when we are talking about a Grandmaster.

Now, if this was regular great crusade era Angron, or any Primarch, then any of them would have ripped apart Draigo like he were a guardsman.

Besides, Draigo isn't a thing now anymore. Too bad Epimetheus is now trapped by Abadon because I would love to know just how powerful this guy is. He's one of the founding members afterall. Draigo is a brat for him.
05-11-14 12:57 AM
Demon of Humanity Draigo is mary sue do you know what it took to banish angron 100 grey knights with heavy losses space wolves and IG with heavy losses as well. And this guy draigo is able to solo one it ridiculous

Deamon primarchs are not run of the mill deamons. they were once the best mankind had now improved by deamonic warp power
04-14-14 06:10 PM
MidnightSun
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Originally Posted by Malus Darkblade View Post
He is a Grey Knight. Who are the best of the dameonhunters but that's all Draigo is unless you can point me to fluff that states otherwise.
He's Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights. He's the guy who's better than the eight guys who are better than the Paladins who are revered for their Daemon-hunting skills by Justicars who are better than Grey Knights. He is the best of the best of the best of the Daemonhunters.

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Mortarion on the other hand is a Daemon primarch. Only 6 exist.
The Daemon Primarchs would be just as individually powerful if there was one of them, or if there were ten thousand on them. The fact that only six exist is irrelevant - fewer than twenty beings in the galaxy even had the capacity to become Daemon Primarchs, and only what, seven of those would have had any desire or ability to do so (assuming Alpharius and Omegon are not actually Chaos-worshippers, and that Curze would have rather died than become a Daemon Prince, enslaved to Chaos).

The Daemon Primarchs are just that - daemonic. Draigo is the Supreme Grand Master of an order dedicated in it's entirety to killing Daemons.

Think about it - if Draigo couldn't banish Mortarion (not even kill him - banish him) and even then because he had a specific anti-Mortarion weapon in the form of the True Name, who exactly *could* battle a Daemon Primarch? You're dangerously close to making the Daemon Primarchs into the Daemon Mary Sues if you say that the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights armed with a True Name can't beat a Daemon Primarch in realspace.
04-13-14 10:02 PM
Malus Darkblade
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Originally Posted by MidnightSun View Post
But Draigo is not just a Daemonhunter;
He is a Grey Knight. Who are the best of the dameonhunters but that's all Draigo is unless you can point me to fluff that states otherwise. Mortarion on the other hand is a Daemon primarch. Only 6 exist.
04-13-14 09:17 PM
MidnightSun
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Originally Posted by Malus Darkblade View Post
Mortarion is not just a Daemon. That much should be obvious.
But Draigo is not just a Daemonhunter; that should also be obvious. It's long been the case that Daemon Primarchs have the strength of Daemons, including their immortality, but they are subject to the same weaknesses, namely the difficulty in manifesting themselves in realspace for prolonged periods of time. Draigo is the Supreme Grand Master of a Chapter of Space Marines who are the premier anti-Daemon force in the Imperium, if not the galaxy. Why would he *not* be able to defeat a Daemon Primarch? If he'd killed a regular Primarch, that'd be an unrealistic feat, but a Daemon Primarch is vulnerable to all the things that Draigo is the best at, while Draigo is resistant to Daemonic attack through his mental training, discipline and wargear. In becoming Daemon Primarchs, the Primarchs made themselves hugely more powerful in some areas, but gained weaknesses to an incredibly small niche. Draigo is that niche.

This is all as far as I know - I've read some fluff on the Daemon Primarchs and the Codex entry for Draigo, but I haven't read Pandorax or Battle for the Fang or any actual novels with the capabilities of the Daemon Primarchs on display.
04-13-14 09:03 PM
Malus Darkblade
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Originally Posted by MidnightSun View Post
Yeah, who'd have thought that the greatest Daemonhunter in the galaxy wearing his full anti-Daemon armour, wielding his anti-Daemon sword and chanting his Litany of Banishing would be able to kill Daemons?
Mortarion is not just a Daemon. That much should be obvious.
04-13-14 07:49 PM
MidnightSun Yeah, who'd have thought that the greatest Daemonhunter in the galaxy wearing his full anti-Daemon armour, wielding his anti-Daemon sword and chanting his Litany of Banishing would be able to kill Daemons?
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