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02-26-14 11:03 PM
LukeValantine Vat bred clones tend to lack something of the original and often their behavior can be erratic without extensive socialization afterwards (Making it not overly useful). A perfect example of this is the sub par clones of Horus that more or less accomplished nothing of merit despite having Primarch like strength and endurance. Also, despite a bunch of stupid wording by the authors the death corps of creed use artificial incubators and select from a limited genetic stock which is one hair off of just cloning the bastards. So in other words the tech basically exists but is of limited utility to marine chapters.
02-26-14 09:01 PM
Over Two Meters Tall!
Originally Posted by hailene View Post
No, I think what really differentiates a Space Marine from a human is more mental. That's something you can't clone. Not really.
I would just amend that a little bit to say in 40K what really matters is the mental, among the trillions of available aspirants. I think the HH series demonstrates it's more about genetic compatibility when all the Terran recruits were first being converted... didn't seem to cause any loss of incredible Astares.
02-25-14 04:31 AM
Originally Posted by MontytheMighty View Post
What was the explanation for the failure?
There isn't one really besides the fact it didn't breed exceptional recruits. Not in any meaningful rate, anyway.

Which is why I go back to what I said earlier in the post. You can a Space Marine out anything. I can't imagine the inhabitants of, say, Baal being extremely robust individuals (physically), anyway. Their world is a radiation hellhole. Attaining all your nutritional needs is going to be a nightmare...ontop of the radiation issues they have despite their rad suits. Yet they're physically strong as any other Space Marine.

No, I think what really differentiates a Space Marine from a human is more mental. That's something you can't clone. Not really.

(Aye, I know there's some studies that says some of our personality traits are defined by genetics, but I don't think it warrants the use of clones. Not when there's so much flesh to be winnowed through in the Imperium.)
02-25-14 04:28 AM
Veteran Sergeant In the words of Public Enemy, Can't Truss It.

Under Martian Law, doctors and other wizards are forbidden. So is cloning, AI, and a bunch of other stuff that seems like it might make sense for the Imperium to use. The Emprah said gene manipulation to make Spess Mahreens was kosher. Apparently didn't sign off on any of that other stuff.

He was a bit of a weird one, that Emperor.
02-25-14 03:55 AM
BlackGuard I don't remember it being mentioned that cloning is illegal or forgotten within the Imperium. I thought certain Ordo Malleus personnel were cloned? I could be wrong. I also think, but its been awhile, that in the Word Bearer's Trilogy that they spoke of tank-bred sacrifices. If the forces of Chaos have the technology, then certainly the Imperium at the very least has examples of it, if not understands themselves.

But your point still stands -- there is no need. That would, however, be a hell of a hook on a chapter. Leaves them more open to corruption if that original genetic template should be altered or corrupted by some nefarious individuals.
02-25-14 03:32 AM
Originally Posted by High_Seraph View Post
I think the I Crimson Fists did try that, or something rather close, and all it resulted in was failure.
What was the explanation for the failure?
02-16-14 05:16 AM
Rems Cloning and its derivatives are mostly a forbidden and nigh forgotten science in the Imperium. Aside from the practicality remember that the recruiting and implantion process is guided by ritual as much as science. The Chapters have been doing their thing for up to 10,000 years, that's a huge amount of custom and tradition to overcome. Recruitment and implantation has become a scared process, vital not just to the manpower of the chapter but its spiritual health.

Though to be honest there's no real need for it. A Chapter's size is artificially limited by the self imposed restrictions of the Codex Astartes. There's more than enough recruits available. Look at the Astral Claws, recruiting from a 'normal' civilized world they were able to enlarge their chapter three times over within a short period of time. Think about it, planets have populations in the millions or billions. Even if 1% or even a tenth of a percent can become Space Marines that's still thousands of recruits available, more than enough for any chapters needs.
02-15-14 02:49 AM
Originally Posted by locustgate View Post
The death korps of krieg is/has used clones.
Imperial Armour 5 mentions that they use "vitae-womb" birthing techniques. Dunno if that constitutes cloning or not.

Could you provide a source?
02-15-14 12:54 AM
locustgate The death korps of krieg is/has used clones.
02-15-14 12:16 AM
High_Seraph Ahh thanks for the clarification hailene. But wouldn't that work or not as selective eugenics might work but who knows.
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