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07-08-13 07:07 AM
Corporal Punishment 69
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Originally Posted by Khorne's Fist View Post
Your own Interior ministry estimates 5-6 million muslims in France, about 10% of the population. Considering their birth rates are higher than most of the native Europeans, in 20 years time that demographic will have changed dramatically.
Ok, mythbusting time: First a comment about immigrant reproduction; Most imigrants have an elevated rate of reproduction (compared to the native population) in the generation that arrives, this drops off rapidly and by the 3rd generation the birth rate is generally the same as the native european one, so no, in 20 years the muslims will not be a majority. Added to which you have a rate of apostasy, in france that's about 20%, most of which are women, ie, the breeders. It is also worth noting that exactly the same arguments were being bandied about in 20's Germany concerning the Jews.
A comment concerning religion; In France the rate of atheism is at a little over 50% of the adult population and increasing every year, so while the number of muslims may be increasing, it does so mostly at the cost of christianity, and has a snowballs chance in hell of becoming the dominant power in a majority atheist state. Religion in general is dying out in europe, the recent influx of more radical islam is only accelerating the process of disilusion with such antiquated ideas.
A comment on the muslim populations in europe; Pre 2001, the great majority of muslim immigrants came from the educated, liberal sectors of their society, those who wanted to live in a secular nation. Despite the monochrome idea many have concerning islam, a great many european muslims are just like the catholics here in spain, ie they identify themselves as muslim, celebrate the major festivals, use muslim traditions for weddings and funerals and pretty much ignore the rest of the mumbo-jumbo the fanatics take so seriously. You just have to look at the average terraza on the beach here in Spain to see muslim women in bikinis, drinking cold beer with their husbands and behaving just like any other holidaymaker.....
07-07-13 04:13 PM
Wusword77
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Originally Posted by Khorne's Fist View Post
I don't know why they bother. All they have to do if they need that info is get a court order and access the records of the various telecom companies. Far easier than allocating the resources of your intelligence apparatus to do it.
They'll claim it's because the "threats" move very fast and the courts would take to much time to grant access to the required intelligence.

Really, it's just so they can bypass the legal system to gain any intelligence they want, be it on terrorists or new political adversaries.
07-07-13 12:32 PM
Khorne's Fist
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Originally Posted by Corporal Punishment 69 View Post
Seriously, do some reading on European demographs before coming out with such silly ideas as a french islamic republic.....
Your own Interior ministry estimates 5-6 million muslims in France, about 10% of the population. Considering their birth rates are higher than most of the native Europeans, in 20 years time that demographic will have changed dramatically.
07-07-13 02:26 AM
Jacobite I think you'll find it was the Greeks (Athens in particular) who spawned the idea of democracy... Not the French.
07-07-13 02:20 AM
emporershand89 Good luck dude, France spawned the idea's of Liberty and Democracy. If it gets bad enough the French people will rise up and fight; it's in their blood.

On another note I think that honestly with all the connectivity we have it was bound to happen. It's just another sign that world governments are abusing their citizens and don't give a fuck about anyone earning less than $40,000 a year.
07-06-13 07:40 PM
Corporal Punishment 69 France. An Islamic Republic. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, sorry, that's so funny... OT: of course they spy on their citizens, all countries do, the only limit being the technology available to those doing the spying.......




Off topic a bit: Most european nations have about 85% white european populations, over half of whom are atheists, the idea that some tiny group of immigrants can somehow overthrow the native populations and impose their religious laws on us is absolutely preposterous. Seriously, do some reading on European demographs before coming out with such silly ideas as a french islamic republic.....
07-06-13 02:20 PM
Khorne's Fist I don't know why they bother. All they have to do if they need that info is get a court order and access the records of the various telecom companies. Far easier than allocating the resources of your intelligence apparatus to do it.

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Considering that their second largest city (Marseille) barely has any French people left in it, I kind of don't blame them for doing some wiretapping.
So true it's frightening. I vaguely remember reading something around the time of the Paris riots in '07 or '08 that if things keep going the way they are France could be an Islamic republic by 2030.
07-06-13 04:00 AM
darkreever Funny enough, OtherGuy has said pretty much what I was going to; but to hell with it:

07-06-13 03:37 AM
ThatOtherGuy Government spying on it's own citizens? Who on earth would think that would ever happen?
07-06-13 03:11 AM
Protoss119 inb4 Deus Ex IRL occurs.
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