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07-02-13 01:59 PM
Phoebus Thanks! I'm especially happy about the earlier-than-expected release for the Snakes novel.
07-02-13 01:14 PM
Anakwanar
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Any idea if the Iron Snakes SMB novel will be the next one...or do we have to wait until 2015 or something like that?
- this december 2013 (pre-release version at Weekender), with the release of the next GG novel (Warmaster) - written by him and his wife. He told that himself.
But all this depends on Dan - due to his words (via his twitter) that he began writing 'Warmaster' TODAY () So we need to believe, in his ability to write a novel in a 4 months time.

To Phoebus
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Well... 'The Unremembered Empire' hasn't been released yet. Do we even have a release date for 'Warmaster'?
Unrem.Empire - October (ebook)
Warmaster - December (ebook)
I hope this helps
07-01-13 04:37 PM
MontytheMighty
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Originally Posted by Phoebus View Post
Folks who were at BL Dublin seem to think it will be a collaboration between Mr. and Mrs. Abnett.
OK good...I was afraid they'd give it to some untested authour
07-01-13 12:26 PM
Phoebus Folks who were at BL Dublin seem to think it will be a collaboration between Mr. and Mrs. Abnett.
06-30-13 05:20 PM
MontytheMighty
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Originally Posted by Phoebus View Post
As such, I think an average of two novels per year (health, happiness, etc., permitting) for the 40k/Heresy projects he's already mentioned is a feasible goal.
As long as it's written by Dan. I'm just afraid that they're going to let some authour write the Iron Snakes SMB novel.

They let Andy Hoare write The Hunt for Voldorius, which features the AL as the main antagonists. Should've been Dan...he would've written a much better novel. The White Scars are Dan's fave chapter (according to report of BL Dublin) and he basically built the AL from scratch. Just imagine if he had done The Hunt for Voldorius.
06-30-13 03:49 PM
Phoebus Well... 'The Unremembered Empire' hasn't been released yet. Do we even have a release date for 'Warmaster'? And then there's also the Bequin trilogy to take into account. My guess is that it's going to be tough for Dan to write a third non-Heresy novel in a row.

If Dan remains ambitious with his schedule, I think you'll see this order:
1. 'The Unremembered Empire' (third quarter 2013)
2. 'Warmaster' (estimated for December 2013)
3. 'Ravenor versus Eisenhorn' Part 2 (second or third quarter 2014)
4. Heresy novel (fourth quarter 2014?)
5. Iron Snakes Space Marines Battle novel (sometime in 2015)
6. A sequel to Titanicus (or was it Double Eagle?) (sometime in 2015)
7. I couldn't guess when the theoretical Iron Snakes serialized novel would come out

... But that's just my guess. I base it on his bibliography/release schedule, which shows he is able to knock out two novels a year, but has also had to take a break (and a well-deserved one, at that - health related in one case, I think!) every couple of years. I include only his schedule since the Horus Heresy series started (for obvious reasons):
The Armour of Contempt (2006)
Horus Rising (2006)
Ravenor Rogue (2007)
Brothers of the Snake (June 2007)
Legion (2008)
Only In Death (October 2008)
Titanicus (October 2008)
Blood Pact (May 2009)
Prospero Burns (November 2009)
Salvation's Reach (October 2011)
Pariah: Ravenor Versus Eisenhorn (October 2012)
Know No Fear (March 2012)
The Warmaster (December 2013)

So, in eight years, Dan's been able to give us four (soon five) Heresy novels, four (soon five) Gaunt's Ghosts novels, two Inquisitor novels, a Snakes novel, a Titan novel, and two sourcebooks. That's roughly two novels a year on average, but he's a much more prolific writer than that: he's also written four Warhammer Fantasy novels, four novels for other properties, two original novels, and a screenplay.

As such, I think an average of two novels per year (health, happiness, etc., permitting) for the 40k/Heresy projects he's already mentioned is a feasible goal.

Cheers,
P.
06-30-13 10:55 AM
MontytheMighty Any idea if the Iron Snakes SMB novel will be the next one...or do we have to wait until 2015 or something like that?

I really hope it's written by Abnett
06-25-13 10:35 PM
Phoebus
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Originally Posted by MontytheMighty View Post
I don't know what you mean by "pigeon hole". Identifying a 40K authour's sources of inspiration is always fun
I didn't mean it in a negative way - I apologize for that. I used a poor word, but I'm just referring to what the basic themes of a group are.

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Brother Holofurnace in the Salvations Reach GG novel i didnt like too - too unkillable, too smugg and honorable. Eadwin and Saraf on the other hand is the Space Marine that i believe in. Distant from humanity and IG, but not so distant, as not to listen for good tactical decision.
... All three of them are about the same level of unkillable... as none of them die, do they?

And as for "listening for good tactical decision," Kater asks if their plan is "the usual nonsense". Sar Af responds that it's actually "not useless"... and then basically tells them that his adjustments aren't recommendations.

Ultimately, Sar Af just has a biggest role than Kater or Eadwin. He gets additional exposure to the reader while helping Merrt out with his aiming problems. Other than that, though, the three Space Marines are not that different. They are there to impress the superhuman quality of their kind, while also informing the reader of the seriousness of the operation the Ghosts are going on.
06-25-13 04:59 PM
MontytheMighty
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I'd have to look it up, but didn't they rigged the explosives to the promethium reserves and it exploded?
Yeah something like that, it had something to do with a drill. I didn't quite get the details while I was reading it.

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The release date doesn't tell the whole story. Mr. Abnett could have started started writing Brothers of the Snake back in the early '00s, way before he even started Horus Rising. Potentially. The timing of the writing matters.
You'd think earlier release date generally means earlier writing date...but as readers, we don't anything for sure

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the 'Iliad' itself is anachronistic in the sense that, beyond the depiction of "heroic combat" between champions (which would have been apropos to the age), it talks about phalanxes where the main battles are concerned.
Well, The Iliad itself was not written in classical times. 800BC falls in the Greek "Dark Age".

...but yes, I doubt Homer had a very accurate idea of the Mycenaean civilisation of 1200BC. He probably pictures warriors of his age. Greeks of 400BC pictured warriors of their age. Medieval paintings of scenes from The Iliad have the Trojans and Achaeans people wearing medieval armour and clothes.

I think the Iron Snakes are a nice combination of Mycenaean, Classical Greek, and Homeric Greek influence. The former two are historical whereas the latter is legendary/mythological

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Ehhhh... not so much. Visually speaking, there is a great contrast between the Myceneans and their contemporaries in Asia Minor, modern Palestine, and Egypt.
There is contrast and similarity (at least in my eyes). There was a lot of cultural exchange going on between the older Middle Eastern cultures and the somewhat younger Mediterranean cultures at that time. Hence why I think theirs some similarity. Perhaps not literally "half-way" though

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If you really want to pigeon-hole them
I don't know what you mean by "pigeon hole". Identifying a 40K authour's sources of inspiration is always fun
06-25-13 03:17 PM
Anakwanar I didnt like Brothers of the Snake at all (too childish and heroic for my liking), through it has its cool moments.

Brother Holofurnace in the Salvations Reach GG novel i didnt like too - too unkillable, too smugg and honorable. Eadwin and Saraf on the other hand is the Space Marine that i believe in. Distant from humanity and IG, but not so distant, as not to listen for good tactical decision.

So, i have really big hopes for SMB books about Iron Snakes at Urdesh this winter. The only thing that scares me - that it is written not only by Dan Abnett, but also by his wife Nick Vincent. Through i enjoyed her Gilead cooperation i really was hard-pressed slogging through Nick Vincents short in the Sabbat Worlds Anthology. It was uninteresting and very hard to read.

But i have high hopes anyway
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