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05-14-13 06:11 AM
cheeto I think there are a lot of people who have less of a problem with good/evil as much as they do with the concept of free will. Seems to come down to the Matrix. Would you rather be plugged in like Cypher and have a bunch of guarantees or do you want to live with free will and take on the challenges of life as it happens? Perhaps this is a test, a place to experience and grow or maybe it's a battle ground. Who knows.
05-12-13 03:59 PM
darkreever
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Because you're asking me questions about God like I know all the answers. Where is he? why does he do this or that or the other? I do not know. Nobody knows for certain. I'm only 17 years old, how can you expect me to know these things?
Now I may be a little off the mark here, but I do believe you came on acting like you did have those answers; or at least something along those lines.

After all, you did make a thread that was supposed to be a response to arguements against God.

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I don't care, but I'm getting sick of people telling me I'm not a Christian because I refuse to be a bigot.
Now I may be wrong, so feel free to show me otherwise, but I do believe the only person actually calling you a bigot is yourself. Picking and choosing the best parts of a holy book to follow is rather like picking and choosing the best stuff from several codecies but calling yourself a player of only one.
05-12-13 03:40 PM
andygorn I'm not hating religions or God or anyone who follows them and it's nothing to do with "does God exist", particular beliefs in God (or not) nor the assistance/courage/etc that belief gives people...This is more about "why do we have evil?"

For me, Stanislaw Lem had a good take on good/evil/God in one of his stories (I can't remember it exactly or which one it was, though, so please bear with me):

There's a scientist who claims that he is God and invites a friend over to see the proof of it.
In this guy's lab, he had a load of boxes on shelves, all encoded with different personalities and life paths (some boxes have similar situations, others are different, some lengths of code are longer than others), then a generator affects different boxes at different times, randomly changing the situations that the boxes are going through.
As each box runs out of code, malfunctions, misfires, gets knocked off it's shelf or otherwise needs replacing, he makes new ones.

His friend asks about what's in the code and the inventor says it contains everything that might ever happen to them, good or bad. As a Creator-God, he had to give them both the good and bad stuff.

His friend questions the morality of creating things which he knows will die and suffer inequality, cruelty, disasters, etc and asks why doesn't he get involved and make things better, or just make personalities where (no matter what happens) they all have really long + fulfilling lives, every happy experience and no bad ones, pain-free deaths, etc(?).

The scientist explains that he is God as a Creator...he has given them freedom (from himself) and given them the potential to have everything that he can imagine and which they might ever learn or need to know. Thus, it's not his fault what happens to them and he doesn't get involved.

This isn't necessarily my opinion, but I always thought that it was a different way of looking at things, that's all.
05-10-13 05:34 PM
Boc
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Where is he?
He's everywhere, like in my sandwich. Mmmmm... god with bacon
05-10-13 05:34 PM
Boc
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Where is he?
He's everywhere, like in my sandwich. Mmmmm... god with bacon
05-10-13 02:59 PM
Alsojames Because you're asking me questions about God like I know all the answers. Where is he? why does he do this or that or the other? I do not know. Nobody knows for certain. I'm only 17 years old, how can you expect me to know these things?

My point is asking me these questions is pointless because there's always going to be some discrepancy because I don't know for certain. You believe whatever you want to believe, I don't care, but I'm getting sick of people telling me I'm not a Christian because I refuse to be a bigot.
05-10-13 02:20 PM
Serpion5
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Who knows? Maybe the universe was empty and boring. Why bother with anything when you have other things to do? (Like warhammer when you have work)
So now he's not here? Then we can do what we want. It's been a good few millennia since we heard from him now, are you sure the beliefs set down that long ago can really hold up in a modern evolving society? You said yourself you disagreed with a major chunk of the religion, why cling to it at all?

I honestly cannot see any rationality in your way of thinking. Rationality matters.
05-10-13 01:47 PM
Alsojames
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Then why would he have bothered with us at all if he has an entire universe to monitor?
Who knows? Maybe the universe was empty and boring. Why bother with anything when you have other things to do? (Like warhammer when you have work)
05-10-13 01:37 PM
Serpion5
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Because it's part of my personal take on the religion. I personally think that God, the great, universe-creating being that he is, has much more to worry about (like keeping physics in check or preventing the universe from unravelling like a string) than gay people and people getting divorced.
Then why would he have bothered with us at all if he has an entire universe to monitor?
05-10-13 01:24 PM
Alsojames
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So you picked the parts you liked and ignored the rest? Alright. Now give this next question some serious thought, because I'm not trying to offend. Why did you do that?

Because it's part of my personal take on the religion. I personally think that God, the great, universe-creating being that he is, has much more to worry about (like keeping physics in check or preventing the universe from unravelling like a string) than gay people and people getting divorced.
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