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04-05-13 04:37 PM
locustgate
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So in answer to the question. Irrevocably so, to the point where they would all be pretty much unrecognisable with the possible exceptions of the likes of Magnus and Russ. Assuming Magnus still turned out to be the uber psyker he is. I say Russ, just because I imagine his loyalty would still be absolute and unquestioning because of the canine dna the Emperor introduced into his gene coding.
Maybe the emperor would of taught Russ some more tricks, i.e. fetching titan legs.
04-05-13 03:06 PM
Angel of Blood It's impossible to know. All of the Primarchs personalities, styles, tactics and skills were developed from how they were brought up. As seen in Deliverance Lost, the Emperor did make some adjustments to each Primarchs code to perhaps enchance different traits, but their upbringing still played a monumental part in how they turned out. Whose to say Angron, Sanguinius or Horus would be so ferocious in close combat if they hadn't been brought up in gladiator pits, an irradiated death world and a planet of hive gangs respectively, not to mention it's very doubtful Sanguinius would have his wings(unless the Emperor altered his gene coding for just that, I doubt it though). Whose to say Alpharius and Omegon would have become the same masters of espionage and subterfuge they are, or if Omegon would have even existed.

So in answer to the question. Irrevocably so, to the point where they would all be pretty much unrecognisable with the possible exceptions of the likes of Magnus and Russ. Assuming Magnus still turned out to be the uber psyker he is. I say Russ, just because I imagine his loyalty would still be absolute and unquestioning because of the canine dna the Emperor introduced into his gene coding.
04-04-13 06:45 PM
Over Two Meters Tall! I think a few pronounced differences would be the greater overall level of achievement for each Primarch, as they would be competing against and learning from each other from the start. Curze, Lorgar, and Perturabo would have Magnus around to explore their stronger inherint psychic abilities, without seating them in religion or nightmares. Russ, Angron and Sanguinius would be sparring with each other from the start, driving their fighting skills to even freakishly higher levels of performance... if that's possible. Or the strategic competitions between Horus, Guillamin, the Lion, and the Kahn from day one... the GC would have been finished in about half the time. Alpharius, Omegon, and Corax all have Malcador to learn intelligence gathering and duplicity from first-hand. Add to this all the resources and history available through Mother Terra and the Emperor. Quite scary and I can see why Chaos absolutely needed to scatter them to the four winds, as it greatly weakened the entire gestalt of the Primarch Project and each of the individual primarchs in turn.

I also think the differences between each would be far less pronounced, as each would have more of an equal to compete against and learn from, minimizing their differences in ability and raising them all to higher levels as I mentioned above. The early Primarch stories each share the common factor of the Primarch oustripping their entire environment within a few years, both physically and mentally, and essentially only having themselves to learn from. Not to mention the Emperor had prepared individual Primarch-sized apartments for each under the Himalays with furnishings that actually fit their size! Hell, Russ and Mortarion would probably have learned to shower.
04-01-13 06:51 AM
ckcrawford Be the same. The lost primarch stuff makes me go wow for like 3 seconds. But really... don't care anymore. The problem is the story line has already been established by previous lore. Unless they are going to change it somehow... the lost primarchs would ruin the Heresy's image with corny attempts to make stuff "new" and "more appealing" to new fans. But thats just my view. I'm sure that there are many that will say "it works" if that ever happened though.
03-31-13 04:08 PM
bitsandkits I think it would be a very different story but also the same



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03-31-13 10:57 AM
locustgate
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Agreed.
In real life, I agree. There does, however, seem to be some sort of genetic...predisposition. All the Legions (to my memory) were roughly in line with their geneseed from the get-go. Generally meeting up with the Primarch merely reinforced and refined their habits and skills.

This makes me believe that the Primarchs were genetically predisposed to certain traits.
Agree. Perhaps the Emperor could of made those predispositions less pronounced.

We also would perhaps seen the lost 2.
03-31-13 08:15 AM
hailene
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thers wouldn't be resentful of their harsh lives
Agreed. The ones that pop into my head are Angron and Kurze.

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I believe nurture plays a bigger role in determining who a person is over their inherited genetics.
In real life, I agree. There does, however, seem to be some sort of genetic...predisposition. All the Legions (to my memory) were roughly in line with their geneseed from the get-go. Generally meeting up with the Primarch merely reinforced and refined their habits and skills.

This makes me believe that the Primarchs were genetically predisposed to certain traits.
03-31-13 07:53 AM
Archon Dan It is very open-ended. Horus wouldn't necessarily be the Emperor's favorite because they weren't alone for so long. Others wouldn't be resentful of their harsh lives and might lack the skills those hard lives taught them. It all comes back to the nature vs. nurture argument. I believe nurture plays a bigger role in determining who a person is over their inherited genetics. The nature does play a role but it is secondary.
03-31-13 07:15 AM
hailene
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and guilleman would be compaining that something wasnt in the rules which they were doing
Only after the big showdown.

And technically he would be right, since he wrote the rulebook after the Big E retires.
03-31-13 07:06 AM
heretical by nature
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Wouldn't it be more like the Emperor putting them all on one team and forcing some of them into positions they don't like? And of course Team Captain Horus thinks he knows better than Coach Emperor...
and guilleman would be compaining that something wasnt in the rules which they were doing
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