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| 02-22-13 01:50 AM | |
| Magpie_Oz |
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Being sarcastic, will use different font next time, sorry.
   
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| 02-22-13 01:40 AM | |
| Karyudo-DS |
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Do you have any idea on the expense involved in having 20 copies "just there" at all times, in all shops, in all countries?
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| 02-21-13 11:47 PM | |
| Magpie_Oz |
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I think there's a lot of that in 40K though so I don't see why having a couple copies would be bonkers. Not to mention it has C:SM stuff in it... seems logical to have 20 copies on the shelf at all times right there.
There are about 350+ shops worldwide. Lets say the margin on GW products is about 60% so that means it costs GW 12 quid to have the book in the shop that works out 84,000 pounds of stock that doesn't move. Depending on demand you'd probably need that much again to be in transit and that much again to be in production. So to keep 20 copies on the shelf GW needs to have 250,000 quid laying "dead" When you do the maths the reasoning behind order only becomes apparent, particularly for items that are uncertain as to their market acceptance. |
| 02-21-13 10:45 PM | |
| iamtheeviltwin | I agree the Neph should have better missiles. If it's missiles were on-par with the Storm Raven's (which they should be) then it's role as an anti-AV would be secured and the 180pt price tag would make sense. 1 TL S9 shot (or 5 S6 shots), 3 TL S5 shots, and 2 S8 shots in one turn would stand a good chance at wrecking most vehicles in one round of shooting. It would still reliably strip 2-3 HP with 2 Pens a turn on AV =<11, but would also now have a good chance at 2 Pen on AV 12 a turn. |
| 02-21-13 10:22 PM | |
| Karyudo-DS |
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Like I said, I think the Neph is still overpriced, but not really so much in comparison to the Talon. Where the price difference really shows is against the Heavier Flyers like the Storm Raven which has as much firepower, heavier armor, and is a transport. I guess you can make up the points elsewhere or with luck really but on paper it does look a bit odd. |
| 02-21-13 09:52 PM | |
| iamtheeviltwin |
Not that the Nephilim isn't about 10-20pts over cost, but if you do a straight comparison of the Base Talon and the Base Neph (with Avenger to compare to the assualt cannon) there are some clear differences, for that 70pt difference you are getting: +1HP, +1 Main weapon attack (at double range), +2 missile shots, and a pretty decent anti-flyer special rule, and only losing ceramite armor. At optimum range the Talon will get 4x S6 shots and 3 S5 shots at =< 24". The Nephilim will put out 7x S6 shots and 3 S5 shots at =<36" range. Against AV 11 for the Main gun that is roughly 2 HP with 70% chance of a Pen for the Neph and 1 HP with a 60% chance of a pen for the Talon. With a slightly above average roll on the Heavy Bolters you will get 1 more HP on each. So the Neph can pretty reliably strip 2-3 HP from AV 11 at a further range than the Talon. (Against AV12 the Neph and the talon will only strip 1 but the talon will be a pen due to rending, which is where the Neph should take the Las Cannons). This is all barring any Jink saves, but there are negative to taking those. In a straight up Dogfight the Neph will down a Talon before the Talon can shoot back, since it doesn't even need the Heavy Bolters to strip the HP. Now you can make the Talon better for a cost, but then the point differnce is only 35-40pts, and the Neph can still unleash more fire than the Talon and has the extra HP and the Unrelenting Hunter is a nice Special Rule vs any vehicle. Like I said, I think the Neph is still overpriced, but not really so much in comparison to the Talon. Where the price difference really shows is against the Heavier Flyers like the Storm Raven which has as much firepower, heavier armor, and is a transport. |
| 02-21-13 06:02 PM | |
| Karyudo-DS |
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When you consider that it makes a lot of sense that it's direct only because it's not a mass appeal item.
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Points towards Forge World...
So if you buy a FW flier and download the errata and IA book with the rules you pay as much as the SM guys and get a flier, you probably wont be allowed to use anyway because everyone knows IA is "op". |
| 02-21-13 02:02 PM | |
| MadCowCrazy |
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No Eldar...
*sticks to his guns and refuses to play any more 40k till Eldar get their plastic flyer* FW has 3 fliers at the £68-£69, you can compare it to Buying a Stormraven for £50 and then buying this errata for £20, will cost you £70. So if you buy a FW flier and download the errata and IA book with the rules you pay as much as the SM guys and get a flier, you probably wont be allowed to use anyway because everyone knows IA is "op". If you buy more than one you lose £20 with each purchase (unless you buy from that chinese dude who casts FW for cheap and dont mind resin that will give you lung cancer...). |
| 02-21-13 01:36 PM | |
| Bubblematrix |
No Eldar... *sticks to his guns and refuses to play any more 40k till Eldar get their plastic flyer* |
| 02-21-13 01:29 PM | |
| Zion |
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So are you meant to use the wargear in the errata or from your codex?
I paid £20 for this book and because of this I get cheaper wargear for my flier. I wonder if they will FAQ the BA and GK codex to lower the points costs to what's in the errata. As for points cost for BA the only things that got cheaper where the locator beacon (by 5 points) and the Extra Armour (by 10 points). Grey Knights follow suit on the wargear, but the codex specific stuff (Truesilver Hull, Psybolts, ect) still costs whatever they cost in the codex. Honestly I'm not seeing much here that really says "you NEED this book", more "if you want it, it's here, and there are a couple small perks for having it that rarely matter". |
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