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01-17-13 06:52 PM
Captain Stillios
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The downside to a medium that allows the unlimited exchange of ideas, some people have some really stupid ideas.
Yep thats sigged have a rep
01-17-13 06:16 PM
Jace of Ultramar Words, until Norm's post I was going to reply to your post in a point by point fashion with certain things you said that I do agree with while commenting on others with a bit of my own P.O.V. mixed in. However, Norm is right about this thread going off topic and so I will respectfully follow his request.
01-17-13 05:59 PM
normtheunsavoury I think I'm losing count of the number of threads that have been turned into arguments about gun control. We have several active threads on the subject already we do not need any more. This thread is about idiotic conspiracy theories, keep it that way.
01-17-13 05:52 PM
Words_of_Truth I didn't write that last bit properly sorry, I meant what I'd written were some of the key points. I do believe gun control has been far to lenient for a long time and it will continue to escalate unless measures are put in to stop it. The problem I see is that guns are a massive source of wealth in America, and it's hard for that section of industry to be altered.

A similar thing is happening here but on a lower level, in this case it's the cigarette industry which is being dismantled.

It started with making advertising them illegal, such as billboards, tv adverts and also formula 1. It was then made illegal to smoke in public places, unless they are out doors in designated smoking areas. Then the selling of them was placed under the counter a long with disclaimers about how smoking kills. Mostly recently the packaging has been made less attractive. Australia has gone even further and made them massively expensive.

The point being, there's not complete answer, you can't force people to stop doing something, but you can make it hard them to do it and maybe it will alter their lives and eventually the culture.

I know you'll say that it infringes on a persons rights, and to an extent I agree for example I'm liberal when it comes to weed and think it should be legalized as imo alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana (when used in waste quantities). Some things have to be controlled though, there's a reason we have laws, if we had complete freedom, it would be anarchy.

Steps can be taken to start minimizing the gun problem in america. No one is saying you can't own a gun, but it shouldn't be as easy as walking into a shop to buy one.
01-17-13 04:39 PM
Jace of Ultramar What key points would those be? Please, share as I'm interested, genuinely, in what you have to say.
01-17-13 04:24 PM
Words_of_Truth
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Originally Posted by DeathKlokk View Post
Please refrain from posting any more idiotic crap like this. You don't know what you're talking about.

I personally own the three guns I have for personal/home protection. My work takes me all around town into peoples homes in all sorts of neighborhoods. In a world where people shoot pizza delivery guys for $50 and kick in 80 yr old women's doors and torture/murder them for their social security money I want to be prepared.
Problem is I do know what I am talking about, In several threads including the most recent gun control thread on this forum I suggested many reasons, examples, compromises and answers to do with combating gun crime, the origin of why guns are at the heart of the USA and possible ways of reducing gun crime.

The reason stems from the second amendment, the process which calls for an organised militia which in fact is what your national guard covers, has been broadened to include the general public in case they themselves are called upon to form another militia, this has caused further problems as because a lot of people can hold firearms, there's a higher likely hood these guns will be used for crime, as well of course protection.

Due to how readily available weapons are, there's a higher likelihood that people suffering from mental illnesses will be able to get hold of them at a time where they are at their most weakest, thus terrible events are more likely to occur. This is at the extreme end of the scale though, at the lower end the average mugging in the US will result in a higher percentage of fatalities as well.

This all stems from the countries current interpretation of the second amendment which has been taken out of context by some, and extended to include the general public by others. Gun companies will not allow this interpretation to go away as they make a lot of money from it and via this money they fund lobbying groups and members of the government that are prominent in the republican party which is part of a two party system.

All this including other parts of history such as WW2, Communism, Assassinations, etc have lead to the US being highly paranoid.

I have other thoughts, but that's some of the key points.
01-17-13 03:24 PM
Jace of Ultramar
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Originally Posted by Magpie_Oz View Post
On average you do tho', 300 mill ppl, 300 mill guns.
But I'm just being silly.

I see what you are saying Jace, you guys have GOT to start shouting louder than the nut jobs because I know you out number them.

It would be great to see a "silent majority" form a gun rejection lobby.
On average, numbers speak for themselves. I do not deny that. However, numbers do not include details such as:
Citizen A owns 37 guns, 2 of which are classified as Assault weapons.
Citizen B owns 0 guns.
Citizen C owns 3 guns. 1 Deer hunting rifle, 1 pistol, and 1 Shotgun.

In another unfortunate turn, the silent majority doesn't have as large a numbers as we may want to have. Most of us try using the appropriate channels we are directed to use and hope what is requested happens. I do not believe News Media would want the silent majority to have a voice given that it wouldn't be a part of one extreme or the other.

I don't believe the Silent Majority would go for total gun control. But, I do believe that a bill with sensible outlines and regulations could see approval in day light by the Silent Majority were such a bill capable of being able to satisfy both sides. However, both sides of the issue would take some small aspect of a bill like that and either overtly exploit it -OR- take offense to it.

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Originally Posted by DeathKlokk View Post
Please refrain from posting any more idiotic crap like this. You don't know what you're talking about.

I personally own the three guns I have for personal/home protection. My work takes me all around town into peoples homes in all sorts of neighborhoods. In a world where people shoot pizza delivery guys for $50 and kick in 80 yr old women's doors and torture/murder them for their social security money I want to be prepared.
Agreed.
01-17-13 03:18 PM
DeathKlokk
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Originally Posted by Words_of_Truth View Post
The reason you cling to guns is because you're paranoid that your own government is going to become a dictatorship or that someone will overthrow your government. There's very little in the way of any other sensible, logical reason for everyone to walk around with a gun.
Please refrain from posting any more idiotic crap like this. You don't know what you're talking about.

I personally own the three guns I have for personal/home protection. My work takes me all around town into peoples homes in all sorts of neighborhoods. In a world where people shoot pizza delivery guys for $50 and kick in 80 yr old women's doors and torture/murder them for their social security money I want to be prepared.
01-17-13 03:13 PM
Magpie_Oz
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Originally Posted by Jace of Ultramar View Post
Does everyone own a gun? No.
On average you do tho', 300 mill ppl, 300 mill guns.
But I'm just being silly.

I see what you are saying Jace, you guys have GOT to start shouting louder than the nut jobs because I know you out number them.

It would be great to see a "silent majority" form a gun rejection lobby.
01-17-13 03:05 PM
Jace of Ultramar
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Originally Posted by Words_of_Truth View Post
The reason you cling to guns is because you're paranoid that your own government is going to become a dictatorship or that someone will overthrow your government. There's very little in the way of any other sensible, logical reason for everyone to walk around with a gun.
Not everyone is walking around with a gun, as much as media may portray US people with guns, not everyone is "rolling down Rodeo with a shotgun" and not everyone here is paranoid that our government is turning -OR- trying to turn to a dictatorship, nor does everyone fear someone is coming along to overthrow our government.
Do people in the US own guns? Yes.
Does everyone own a gun? No.
Does everyone walk around with them? No.
Is everyone paranoid of the government? No.
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