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|07-21-12 04:30 PM|
|DS87||Thing is, you have to remember in the BT codex, if any army other than grey knights have a psyker, you can't ally with em anyway. Which kinda screws BT hard under the new rulebook...although I do like the idea of using BA allies *grins evilly*|
|07-08-12 07:32 AM|
|Necrosis||If the sisters of battle and Ecclesiarchy had a problem with the Black Templar (or vice versa) then why do black Templar Champlain have Rosarius? Rosarius is given to Space Marine Chaplains by the Ecclesiarchy to show their common devotion to the Emperor. This means that Black Templar's acknowledge the Ecclesiarchy. Guess which chapter doesn't get Rosarius? Space Wolves, yet sisters seem to have less of a problem with them then Black Templar's.|
|07-08-12 01:14 AM|
|Biellann||Aye, I don't agree that they should be 'battle brothers', but still shouldn't be 'desperate allies'. Being 'allies of convenience' makes more sense and still ties in with what you (both) have said.|
|07-08-12 01:05 AM|
"You hate witches? Well we hate witches too"
"We hate them more"
"No you don't"
"Yeh we do"
"Nuh - uh Sister"
"Don't use that tone with ME!"
"Just keep going and find out baldy"
"Baldy ? Looked in a mirror lately bitch?"
Witches: "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em guys, I think they'll be a while"
|07-07-12 08:36 PM|
Have to be sure to not get confused by the fact that they are both religious themed and hate psykers. Their beliefs are similar, but it's actually a very common real world occurrence for two very closely related offshoots to be totally irreconcilable. The best comparison is actually Space Shiites vs Space Sunnis. Cirrusly. Go look up the difference between Sunni and Shiite Muslim beliefs. It's crazy what these guys have been carrying on a bloody civil war in Iraq over for decades. In the end, that's the kind of minor difference in interpretation that might make the Templars and Sisters not likely to get along too well. I mean, they're not likely to be violently antagonistic, but they definitely shouldn't be good friends.
The other part is that the Sisters are extreme rules lawyers. It's what makes them such good enforcers for the Ecclessiarchy and occasional tools for the Inquisition when hunting supposed heretics. The Black Templars, on the other hand, are running a heretically illegal amount of ships, Marines, and weaponry. So, in addition to being Space Marines (who inherently don't consider themselves subject to the authority of other Imperial agencies), they also wouldn't want Sisters around, tracking their movements, and snooping into the secrets of the Crusade Fleets, lol.
I like to put it this way. It's the difference between the following conversations:
"You hate witches? We hate witches. There's a witch over there. Let's go burn her."
"You hate witches? We totally hate witches. We should hang out all the time and burn witches. But you have to promise not to tell anybody about our illegal army, illegal fleet, or our questionable recruiting and training practices. Oh, and realize that we're probably never going to treat you as equals, and we think your whole religion is total bullcrap. Oh, and it's cool if you report back to your buddies at the Ecclessiarchy, the Inquistion, and the High Lords about where we are at, and where we are going."
Honestly, the Sisters of Battle probably have too many Allies of Convenience, lol. They should be Battle Brothers with the Guard, AoC with Grey Knights, and Desperate Allies or "No Allies" with pretty much everybody else. They aren't exactly known for playing well with others.
|07-07-12 12:16 PM|
They are COMMANDED by direct instruction from the Emperor (via the Inquisition) to assist the Grey Knights.
Essentially the only place the allies chart has to make sense is inside your head, like BaK says. If an alliance doesn't seem to make sense for you then trying thinking about it from a different angle, remember this is Sfi-Fi with the emphasis on the Fiction.
Rather than "ah that's rooted" try "how can I make it work for me?". The flights of fancy that the chart encourages are brilliant to my mind.
There is not one alliance that I cannot think of a reasonably plausible explanation for.
|07-07-12 11:34 AM|
|07-04-12 03:21 AM|
|PlagueMarineXenon||I don't think the necron/tyranid combo would be so much of an alliance as it would be that the necrons wouldn't so much as interfere while the tyranids consumed their enemy. Usually the uniting factor for the desperate alliances for the other races is to drive of the great devourer. I'm pretty sure GW wanted a force that all others could unite against. Every other race besides tyranids wants to dominate the galaxy. Tyranids want to strip it of its resources and leave it lifeless.|
|07-03-12 01:47 PM|
I still say they could have easily given Nids an alliance with the Necrons. Necrons have no real bio matter to speak of, and so the Nids really wouldn’t want to consume them (yes, I’m sure they would try to kill them anyway, but bare with me for a minute). That being said, on a battle field where the opposing force does contain bio mass of some sort (basicly every other army in 40k), you would imagine that the Nids would be more interested in them first. Additionally, since the Necorns are so crafty, I could very easily imagine them luring a hive ship or two to a planet to help destroy or soften up a particularly difficult enemy. But as has already been stated, it seems as though the Allies section of the new rules was written with ‘more business’ in mind rather than fluff.
Note: Gene Stealer cult makes a hell of a lot of sense to me too.
|07-03-12 01:32 PM|
Originally Posted by aranelthemithra View Post
My memory seems to be failing me on the part where they have utter trust in one another. Allies of convenience would seem a better fit.
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