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10-08-11 12:54 AM
Zion
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Originally Posted by Suijin View Post
Ah will be sad to see this thread closed, one of the few things on the internet worth reading.

The only thing I thought might be interesting to still figure out is which models they aren't selling anymore to gauge the possibility of them actually getting the real release all done and scheduled. Them having old models still on the shelf presents no incentive for them to get busy with the new ones to sell.

I couldn't get Uriah Jacobus.

I did get St. Celestine.

These were both about a month ago. I can also contact a store I know who ordered more SoB stuff some of which he said he didn't get in to figure out more. That's all I had though.
Jacobus has been out of stock for a while. I know I'd gotten an email when I last attempted to order him that he'd be in on the 30th of September but I haven't tried ordering him again just yet.
10-07-11 11:59 PM
Suijin Ah will be sad to see this thread closed, one of the few things on the internet worth reading.

The only thing I thought might be interesting to still figure out is which models they aren't selling anymore to gauge the possibility of them actually getting the real release all done and scheduled. Them having old models still on the shelf presents no incentive for them to get busy with the new ones to sell.

I couldn't get Uriah Jacobus.

I did get St. Celestine.

These were both about a month ago. I can also contact a store I know who ordered more SoB stuff some of which he said he didn't get in to figure out more. That's all I had though.
10-07-11 10:18 PM
Grogbart
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Originally Posted by SilverTabby View Post
Just a quick note on that provided link, given I'm on my phone and not a computer.

That is a hobby article, based on Robin's personal army. Did you read what was written underneath? The bit that was unpainted was one unit, added in recently, that he specifically explains he hasn't painted yet as it's new.

If it was an actual tactica or WD article with unpainted figures I'd understand, but this is an online hobby article, which explains itself. This is nothing new, and not the personal insult many seem to be taking it as...
It was on GW's official homepage and it's not like they didn't manage to present EVERY other release with a fully painted army.
It being a hobby article, to me, just seems like GW didn't bother, doing a proper article (although I admit, not being the most objective mind on that matter).

And not having finished painting because it was new!?! What a stupid excuse is that!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but those models are old. The only thing left for me to believe is nobody at GW has bothers even the slightest about Sisters and certainly no one playing/having/painting sisters in all the years since the WH Codex.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with what you wrote, but there is always more than one way to see things! Ours are obviously different.
10-07-11 09:17 PM
SilverTabby Just a quick note on that provided link, given I'm on my phone and not a computer.

That is a hobby article, based on Robin's personal army. Did you read what was written underneath? The bit that was unpainted was one unit, added in recently, that he specifically explains he hasn't painted yet as it's new.

If it was an actual tactica or WD article with unpainted figures I'd understand, but this is an online hobby article, which explains itself. This is nothing new, and not the personal insult many seem to be taking it as...
10-07-11 09:16 PM
MadCowCrazy
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Originally Posted by Suijin View Post
It is possible to win with the codex. I just did versus Necrons........
Not to spoil the mood but beating the most outdated codex in the game isn't exactly hard to do. Sure there are some builds with Necrons that can be very competitive like destroyer spam but it comes short vs every 5E codex. Sisters I do not count as a 5E army though, as it's worse (my opinion) than the 3E one.

I will be closing this thread in a few hours so unless I can get some new rumours or anything it's time to say goodbye to this thread for now.
10-07-11 07:36 PM
Suijin TheKingElessar may have a point if you are talking about the most competitive lists out there, like say GK purifier spam. I can't imagine being competitive with that army at the same points level. Repentia will be cut down due to the power weapons and cleansing flame, so aren't going to be as effective (due to no FNP vs power weapons). DCA should still do well, but 1 unit can't carry the whole army, unless you are playing only a 350 point game or something.
10-07-11 07:13 PM
Zion
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Originally Posted by TheKingElessar View Post
There's a debate?

Really??

This Dex is inferior to the other 5e ones, even Nids.

It has fewer options, fewer units, fewer weapons, more overpriced stuff, and less of a Competitive edge to the one build you can make, nevermind multiple builds.

I wrote an army list I was happy with, and felt could compete with my other armies at 2k.

It came to 2546 points.

'Nuff said.
That's odd because I've made lists that have served quite well at the same point total as my opponent. Do I wish I had more toys? Sure, who doesn't want to try some of those extra shiny things? But I've made do without and do quite nicely so far.

Quite honestly with this army the "secret" is to levy your strengths to their weaknesses. It can and does win quite nicely just because of the extra girls you have on the table (thanks to things getting overall cheaper) meaning you can soak up more wounds overall.

EDIT: Just redid my 2K list and realized I've been using a 1750 one instead. And that tied once against a 2K list (Blood Angels in KP) and beat 2K of Necrons.
10-07-11 06:13 PM
TheKingElessar There's a debate?

Really??

This Dex is inferior to the other 5e ones, even Nids.

It has fewer options, fewer units, fewer weapons, more overpriced stuff, and less of a Competitive edge to the one build you can make, nevermind multiple builds.

I wrote an army list I was happy with, and felt could compete with my other armies at 2k.

It came to 2546 points.

'Nuff said.
10-07-11 05:51 PM
Grogbart SilverTabby, I'm sorry for accusing you to play only to win! What led me to believe so, was this comment:
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... crying over spilt milk won't win me games - adapting will.
And congratulations on achieving something I could not: staying calm

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Originally Posted by SilverTabby View Post
First, I do not play to win. Never have, and have never advocated playing purely to do so. None of my posts have ever advocated that, in fact they've railed against it in many cases. What I have issue with here, is everyone who complains that "this Dex is s**t, you can't win with it", which is pure rubbish. Hence my comments of "use creative thinking".

Second, the words "get over it" are not "stop discussing it". I mean stop whining about things you can't change and discuss ways of working with what you've got instead of throwing sulks as several posters are. I have a 2year old daughter who throws less tantrums than some Sisters players on this forum.

And I'm afraid that yes, you do have to adapt to what GW gives you unless you only play with mates at home. It's the nature of the game that it changes, and GW dictates those changes. As someone who has been playing a lot with this new list of late, I do object when folk refer to it as "scat". It's not a bad list, it's different - and if anything, more balanced than the old one, with several options having been made more viable, and newer, quite frankly sick close combat options having been added.

And what on earth are people talking about, "half-painted army"? Page references and specific pictures, please?

Please note, the uses of the word "you" in this post are not aimed at one person, but intended in the general plural. Forums and the English language do not always mix in the intended fashion, and this is not aimed at one person.
There are more than just two opinions about this WDex, mine for example is "this Dex is s**t, even though you can win with it".

Adapting my strategies and style of play to new circumstances, is something I am very much able to (if my brain is up to it!).
But whether I can enjoy a game/my army has almost nothing to do with adapting to anything. While I can't change what GW released, I can decide to stop playing 40k. But that's a decision I won't take lightly, as I have spent considerable amounts of time and money into my models. Furthermore the thing with emotions is, they are very subjective, sometimes a usually fun thing to do isn't just because I have a bad day. So it's either playing the new dex month after month to make sure those bad days don't ruin my ability to judge OR inform myself how other players feel. (Of course paying attention to the fact, that people happy with something, usually don't run to internet just to state they have nothing to complain about and thus the general image shown is always a bit darker than it should!)

On the other hand, having to wait a long time for an update and receiving this WDex can be a bit of a trauma! Talking about it and finding people who feel the same as you can be quite relieving. What you may call whining, is something others may call therapy!

As such I still see the "get over it!" part critically, because it's still ordering people what to say and what not. And that's a moderators job, I think.

Finally, the requested link!
http://www.games-workshop.com/we/dont/care/about/sisters.jsp?aId=17700021a
10-07-11 05:30 PM
Suijin It is possible to win with the codex. I just did versus Necrons, but my issues are more the flexibility of the codex and tactics. These are:
  • No Reserves roll modification
  • Only Seraphim and St. Celestine can deepstrike, and only dominions can outflank. They are both in the fast attack slot. Also we have no infiltrators.
  • No psychic defense
  • No ordnance, blast, or barrage
  • No options for other troops based on HQ taken
  • Most of our heavy hitters in assault have Rage
  • No stealth
  • No faith usage in opponents turn
  • No fast movement
  • Almost all short range weapons
  • Lacking many LD modifications
No one of these is that bad, and many codices have some of these, but we have all of them. I realize most of these come from an incomplete WD codex vs. a full release, but that doesn't change the above points.
I'll still play this dex as it is my primary army and you can win with it, but there is no denying it is incomplete/unfinished/wanting.
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