Originally Posted by AAAAAAAAARRRGGHH
Since when? As far as I know they have always been making power metal. So have all their associated acts.
Perhaps I was mistaken, but when looking up the band one of their descriptions read 'progressive death metal' along side 'prog power', ect.
Yeah, I do that to a lot of people. Maybe it is my choice of words you have a problem with. Understandable. I do ramble a lot and I rarely judge people on what they say (there are situations where I do. Racist remarks I can't stand). So words are of little consequence to me. Does that make sense? Or am I being a jerk again?
It is your ignorance that caused me to jump on your post like that. You say you don't view words with significant consequence? Then why of all things do you allow racist remarks to offend you? And why would they offend you if you resent the human race? Or is it because you are too 'insane'?
Huh? I'm sorry but I was unaware that they owned that. Nothing prevents other metalgenres from doing so too. So I don't see how this is relevant.
You misunderstand. I never said they "owned" anything, I was pointing out the theme of many death metal bands which coincides with your supposed resentment of mankind. To say the 'genre' as a whole is an abomination/pollutant seemed unusual and shows you know very little about what you are talking about. Even black metal (which, believe it or not is often based on real folk songs like Windir, is that an abomination too?) can fit in to that category.
Never said it was random. It is very well planned but the effect becomes the opposite. It just seems senseless, repetitive and in the end annoying. To me that is.
True that you didn't say they were random, although it was suggested in my eyes. Many bands are...very psychoactive in their implementation. That doesn't cater to everyone. Is it senseless? Not in the slightest bit. Once again, I'll point to the band Death as an example. Many of their songs have deep themes that work with the music. Symbolic, 1,000 Eyes, Individual Thought Patterns, Vacant Planets...
Many, many, many crappy bands fail to achieve this, yes. But it wouldn't do any justice towards the skilled artists. A common misconception is that 'death metal' is all about nonsensical violence, gore and stuff like that.
Repetitive? Beyond a good bands style, there is a ton of variation in instrumental work through a bands song/album/discography. There are people who are unable to process what they are hearing in regards to many kinds of music. Whether that be choosing not to through rejecting it or because they are mentally incapable.
But if you legitimately dislike it, whatever. I thought those two were odd things to say.
And of course I choose not to examine something I don't like the sound of. Would you do that?
Just because something appears unpleasant on a superficial glance doesn't mean it should not deserve to be deconstructed. I don't enjoy a lot of vocalists at all, yet I still listen to the band because they may have extraordinary instrumental work. I'm capable of tuning them out without any issues. Death, for example, has amazing solo's. Yet I tolerate Schuldiners singing. And I can perfectly understand what he is saying, though as you pointed out, isn't possible for many bands. Then there are black metal bands like Immortal. The singer growls a bit but it's that actually sounds badass instead of some fat sweaty angry guy cupping the mic like other bands.
There are a ton of songs I find to be atrocious, yet their solo's/guitar/bass work is amazing. Thus I will listen to that free of bias. I'm guessing you aren't a musician, then.
And I am sure my statements are very much based on my ignorance of the genres. Maybe I have just heard crappy bands and have taken them as representants for the genres.
And btw, I actually like the Nevermore song. Quite cool.
Edit - The Windir song I like too. Damn you for starting to convert me! DAMN YOU! :D
I told you there is a loooooot of shit out there. To disparage Death and Black metal entirely without having heard of many skilled groups within seemed shocking to me. Off the bat it just seemed like you would otherwise enjoy a death/black metal band with excellent instrumental work if their vocals were only sung cleanly.
My root of the issue is that you had offered only insults to extremely talented musicians in your first post. Bands like Carcariass, Death and Atheist are in fact well coordinated. They are meant to play flowing, complex, often technical, songs that may never repeat itself more than two, maybe three times like many other bands who will repeat the same build up or well beaten climax a dozen times.
I'm not bashing power metal, to note. I'm just defending the good
bands of the black/death 'genre' from the unreasonable remark you have attributed to them. There are a shitload of crappy fail examples in every genre, and then there are the rare gems. Listen. I really do dislike most death metal bands because they are usually made up of talentless assclowns who somehow wandered on stage. But it's the elite that deserve my appreciation and my open mind that keeps me from disregarding every single band under a genre name that leaves little for me to like.
I'll throw up some songs you might enjoy. Abbath of I/Immortal has shown to be the only growler who 100% of the people I had listen to actually enjoyed his vocals. Regardless, your view on metal is your own and I am content to agree to disagree. Though I view your 'abomination' and 'pollution' comments with much chagrin. And I'm unsure why having a lead sing would change anything.
Immortal (Same singer from I)