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post #11 of 23 (permalink) Old 06-20-13, 01:48 PM Thread Starter
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That does not work, transformative work is something quite different. The act of making copies of the components is the infringement.

Your best legal bet is to make a master of something similar - guns are easy - some plastic rod sections stuck together and then cast that.
I'm not making copies of components, I'm making copies of components and destroying them completely to bring some design elements into new, sculpted components.

Anyway, Like Djin said, it's not worth the effort for anyone thinking of trying it. It's way cheaper to buy the bits and destroy them.

I was hoping for the environmentally and wallet friendly option rather than having shipment after shipment of an ounce of plastic traverse the globe so I could fiddle with a different idea every week or so. Not worth it for the lost time and chemical burns.
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Not to drag this through the mud, but what if you were to sculpt a chapter badge onto a shoulder pad and replicate that?

Unfortunately Canada got rid of the penny and now my two cents rounds down to zero, so...take it for what you will.

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Any copying in anyway is verboten !
Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not sure on the ins and outs of its, but I thought copying was only illegal if you were selling them. (plus once their painted nobody sees a difference anyway).

If this is not the case isn't it acceptable to 'modify' the part in some way (shave off an icon, change a barrel ect) then cast that?

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Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not sure on the ins and outs of its, but I thought copying was only illegal if you were selling them. (plus once their painted nobody sees a difference anyway).

If this is not the case isn't it acceptable to 'modify' the part in some way (shave off an icon, change a barrel ect) then cast that?
It is only illegal if you're selling them. Forum rules and legality are two different things.


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Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not sure on the ins and outs of its, but I thought copying was only illegal if you were selling them. (plus once their painted nobody sees a difference anyway).

If this is not the case isn't it acceptable to 'modify' the part in some way (shave off an icon, change a barrel ect) then cast that?
From the GW website:

Legal: Page 4 | Games Workshop

"Please read the following in conjunction with the What you can do section above and the Specific Examples section below. Other than a few exemptions, Games Workshop is not obliged to let anyone use its IP at all (for example, it's a widely held misconception that you can freely make use of someone else's copyrights, without their permission, as long as it's for your own private use - this is currently not an automatic exemption to copyright), and accordingly we always insist that our IP is treated with the respect that we feel that it deserves."

If you read through it you can see what you can and can't do.

I also draw your attention to our own forum rules

"any discussion regarding the duplication and/or counterfeiting of GW (or other companies) miniatures or parts is forbidden."
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Suprised this thread isnt banned yet, i asked about almost sculpting my own nurgle marines, using a marine as a armature and the reaction i god was slightly unexpected.

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Conversions are a major aspect of the hobby, although in intellectual property terms, they also constitute a major infringement. However, we are certainly not about to stop people making cool conversions of our products, although, there are certain things to keep in mind:

Please do not combine our intellectual properties with IP owned by any third parties.
Your conversions should be one-time, unique masterpieces of hobby goodness. Do not create a production run of conversions for sale. Whilst infringing our IP, this is also simply not hobby.
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Do not cast any materials that are based upon Games Workshop material. Games Workshop has to maintain a strict policy on this to fight counterfeiters. We would also remind you that reproduction for personal use is NOT an automatic exclusion in respect of copyright protection in many territories worldwide.
Apparently your not aloud to mix models you have paid for, with parts from another company.

even though you pay ridiculous amounts on this plasti-crack, you still dont own it, just remember that kids.

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Apparently your not aloud to mix models you have paid for, with parts from another company.

even though you pay ridiculous amounts on this plasti-crack, you still dont own it, just remember that kids.
The difference there is that the bit you quoted is a load of GW "honest we read the law" bollocks, you can stick a fucking my little pony on your model if you want to, walk into a GW and call the police yourself - you did nothing wrong (other than wasting police time).

However, casting copies of any copyright material is illegal, whether you intend to use it, sell it or smash it into unrecognizable pulp.

And yes, please DO NOT ask about this on the forum.

Anyway, it is wholly more satisfying to make your own stuff and cast it - you get a unique model and you learn some new modelling skills.
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As the chapterhouse suit has proven - what GW allege you cannot do and what you legally cannot do are two entirely different buckets of fish.

Agreed that copying parts by using casting to do it is not cost effective, though.
(Not even down under - where the retail prices seem to encourage it).

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The difference there is that the bit you quoted is a load of GW "honest we read the law" bollocks, you can stick a fucking my little pony on your model if you want to, walk into a GW and call the police yourself - you did nothing wrong (other than wasting police time).
What they actually said was illegal was creating a production run of conversions for sale. As a conversion is a derivative work GW IP still applies.
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Well, I didn't feel I was breaking forum rules, as the copy would have been a middle step and not an end result, regardless I don't recommend the method after having attempted it and to be on the safe side I'm reporting my own thread just in case it's in the best interest of the community to take it down. I've been wrong about things before lol, no problem being wrong again. Mistakes are made.
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