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hopefully this isn't coming off as rude
Not at all dude, we's just talking is all. Everything that is typed must be taken with a truckload of salt: we don't have body language and tone of voice here to iron things out

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And Pask in a Punisher with 2 exterminators is nice but overrated I feel.
I like playing him in a Executioner with two Battle Tanks as backup. Been having a blast with it

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I like playing him in a Executioner with two Battle Tanks as backup. Been having a blast with it
I tried to think of a joke to add to that but I couldn't. I guess I'll just have to move Pask it.

But seriously, some have said the 3x blast is better than the large.

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But seriously, some have said the 3x blast is better than the large.
People say all sorts of stuff, I would say it comes down to how your opponents space their models more than anything else. The way I see it:

3x blasts: 3x chances to scatter, if the models are spaced appropriately you're getting one wound per template.

1x big blast: one scatter roll, and with a 2" coherency abuser you're still likely to get 3+ models under the template even if it does scatter.

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Well now you have a choice of both with Pask! As the large blast profile is optional.

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If you're gonna have Pask drive a tank, I think it's best to take maximum advantage of his "BS4/rending/preferred enemy/re-roll armour penetration/character (precision shots)" qualities. That means more shots is better then one large blast, or 3 (or 5) small blasts. (Adding prescience is always highly recommended and should be a no-brainer in AM lists.)

With 29 S5 shots at BS4 twin-linked you're looking at 26 hits (4 or 5 precision shots) against a target. Shooting at Meq units that will cause 17 wounds, including 4 to 5 rending hits. That will kill about 8 Meq. If that target is a T5 MC you'll put 13 wounds on it with 4 or 5 rending AP2 hits included. That will hurt a lot. Of course most T5 nasties are FMC's so what would that do? It does about 9 hits and 4,5 wounds (and a grounding test most likely). On a T6 riptide or dreadknight you'll stick 9 wounds, half of which are rending. That will seriously slow those f*ckers down! Now against armour... i'd not risk it. AV12 you'll have a chance with so many hits you will get rending and re-rolling armour penetration wil really help. Against an AV11 flyer you'll average 3 penetrating hits (every "6" is penetrating any you re-roll everything else), so you'll force jink saves.

The only real problem I see with the punisher is the 24" range... it's uncomfortably close and may leave your AV11 open to assaults. It is a very nasty midfield firebase! It's AV14/13 will shield your AV12/10 artillery from direct firepower.

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People say all sorts of stuff, I would say it comes down to how your opponents space their models more than anything else. The way I see it:

3x blasts: 3x chances to scatter, if the models are spaced appropriately you're getting one wound per template.

1x big blast: one scatter roll, and with a 2" coherency abuser you're still likely to get 3+ models under the template even if it does scatter.
I've always viewed executioner as an efficient monster killer. Unlike with squads, where to make exact calculations is impossible, I've done calculations once for the monstrous creatures and I got that the standard Leman Russ (S8 large blast ap3) hurts a single T6 3+ MC with a large basis less than a 3*S7 blast, which means that a S7 large blast will fare even worse.

I rarely use it against anything else than MC, where usually demolisher Leman Russ has better results. Sometimes it also works well on things that arrive by deep strike and are stuck together. Generally speaking: intuition tells me, that more your enemy places his units close to each other, the more 3* small blast becomes effective in comparison to one large.

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Pask in a Punisher is pretty great. Only hesitation is the 24" range really, but it's easy enough to deal with if you're paying attention to troop movements on the table. My buddy plays about a dozen Melta Guns against me because I own three Land Raiders, so I'm pretty cautious even with my AV14.

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I've always viewed executioner as an efficient monster killer.
You are 100% correct my friend, were I to be facing MCs I would want 3x S7 AP2 blasts over one blast of anything - as tempting as Instant Death can be to try for.

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Generally speaking: intuition tells me, that more your enemy places his units close to each other, the more 3* small blast becomes effective in comparison to one large.
Again, perfectly correct. I just wish I played against people who bunched their units up so that I could prosper from their inexperience against blast templates

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