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Cultists current role in the codex is to fulfill the mandatory force org as cheaply as possible so that more points can be spent on units that are not available in this detachment, namely Bel'akor, Daemon Princes, Heldrakes and nurgle bike/khorne juggernaught lords.
Out of everything you said, this bothered me the most. You created an army for fluff with no demons at all... so that you can make it as cheap as possible to ally in demons?!?!

Build an army for what you want. Not loopholes to play stronger other lists.

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My 2 cents about this detachment :

- I globally like it (and still hope similar official detachments/formations to come up soon for CSM),

- Daemonic restrictions are too restrictive for me : why would Alpha Legion not use Daemons when they need to ? Even if they were supposed (because nothing may be taken for granted with the Alpha Legion) to fight against Chaos during the Heresy, they could use Chaos to do it. And after 10K years, nothing proves that AL still works as a Legion, and that some warbands of it could not have dedicated themselves to Chaos (or been corrupted by it),

- Nevertheless, I agree to the fact that Daemons would be Allies of Convenience for such a Primary Detachment. Actually, I think that all other detachments/formations should be Allies of Convenience, from Alpha Legion ones (CSM do not trust AL, and even AL must sometimes be wary of ... AL) to Imperium ones (AM/SM/SB/Inquisition could be tricked into working and fighting for AL purposes without being aware of it),

- Stubborn/ATSKNF and Infiltration "for everyone" is a too great (and too easy) buff, IMHO,

- The Warlord change mechanism too specific and aside of the current ruleset (why not just being allowed to keep it unknown under Champion stats until he uses his own stats and abilities, for instance ?),

- The "Preferred Enemy" when AL reveals its agenda is interesting. But I wouldn't make it last during the opponent's next turn (and not making it a double penalty for melee-oriented armies).

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Cultists current role in the codex is to fulfill the mandatory force org as cheaply as possible so that more points can be spent on units that are not available in this detachment, namely Bel'akor, Daemon Princes, Heldrakes and nurgle bike/khorne juggernaught lords.
Out of everything you said, this bothered me the most. You created an army for fluff with no demons at all... so that you can make it as cheap as possible to ally in demons?!?!

Build an army for what you want. Not loopholes to play stronger other lists.
Hah! Sorry I made a very confusing statement. What I meant to say is that in the current CSM codex (without this detachment) that is how Cultista are used. With this detachment I'm trying to make Cultists useful outside of that as Cultists are kind of Alpha Legion's shtick. Hopefully because this list doesn't have access to the aforementiones "better" units then buffing Cultists will not increase the power of the existing "best" lists.
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