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So, I came across an opportunity in the fluff for a new nightmare to be unleashed on the galaxy.

1. During the Battle of Macragge A Retribution class Destroyer detonated its warp drive and sucked a portion of Hive Fleet Behemoth into the Warp. The splinter is assumed dead but as we know Tyranids have an astounding ability to adapt and survive. What if the splinter found a way to survive in the Warp? They say no living thing that isn't tainted can survive in the Warp, but if anything can put that theory to the test, the swarm makes a great candidate.

2. The Imperium leads Hive Fleet Leviathan to the Eye of Terror and says "Here Abbadon, we have a present for you!" Though give how the Tyranids evolve though reverse engineering DNA and forced adaptation... and how the Imperium's plans seem to always backfire, this could be a very bad idea.

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I think the hive mind would be driven crazy by the warp. And honestly, there isn't traditional biomass in the warp, how would they survive on warpmass?
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I think the hive mind would be driven crazy by the warp. And honestly, there isn't traditional biomass in the warp, how would they survive on warpmass?

There is fluff for that, while Leviathan was eating a world a warp portal opened and demons flooded out. At first the Hive Mind ignored them until a point when the Hive Mind identified them as a threat then surrounded the demons with Biovores and Exocrenes. The Hive Mind pounded the demons with artillery until the demons retreated. Interacting with the demons didn't drive the Hive Mind insane, it looked at the demons with indifference.

As to how Tyrands would get energy from Warpmass. Photosynthesis -> Warpsynthesis.
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There is fluff for that, while Leviathan was eating a world a warp portal opened and demons flooded out. At first the Hive Mind ignored them until a point when the Hive Mind identified them as a threat then surrounded the demons with Biovores and Exocrenes. The Hive Mind pounded the demons with artillery until the demons retreated. Interacting with the demons didn't drive the Hive Mind insane, it looked at the demons with indifference.
I would say that there is a difference between battling daemons and actually being inside The Warp. The Warp is unreality made manifest - Nothing makes sense and all sense of natural law is thrown out the window. Daemons are just minor manifestations of this and can be killed. Hence, the Hivemind saw this and bombarded the unholy snot out of them. Done deal.

Could The Hivemind be driven insane by The Warp? Possibly. Either that or Nurgle is gonna have one hell of a time.
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The other problem here is a practical one. What would chaos Tyranids look like and how would they function?

So are we now talking Tyranids with tentacles, extra mouths, big claws, strange weapons? Is that really different or worth doing? I rather doubt it.

Unless there's some reasonable precedent for Tyranids being possessed by daemons or dedicating themselves to chaos I don't think this will really work.

The only fluff I know of which supported this was the original fluff on genestealer cults. In its earliest incarnation, genestealer cults could dedicate themselves to chaos. I don't know if that's been totally retconned or just ignored. But once the cult gets absorbed by the hive fleet I think it's a moot point.

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I would say that there is a difference between battling daemons and actually being inside The Warp. The Warp is unreality made manifest - Nothing makes sense and all sense of natural law is thrown out the window. Daemons are just minor manifestations of this and can be killed. Hence, the Hivemind saw this and bombarded the unholy snot out of them. Done deal.

Could The Hivemind be driven insane by The Warp? Possibly. Either that or Nurgle is gonna have one hell of a time.
But I would say that fluff proves that seeing the Warp did not provoke a flee response in the Hive Mind. The Hive Mind didn't care if the Warp was there or not.

I never said that the "Warp Mind" and the Hive Mind would be exactly the same, that would be an evolutionary split, it's only logical that they wouldn't be the same. Hell, if the Warp Mind and the Hive Mind find each other they would even try to kill each other. And who knows, there have been any psykers that were driven insane from hearing the Hive Mind, I don't recall any psykers being driven insane from hearing the three magically gods.... Maybe hearing this Warp Mind drive Nurgle insane... or more insane, if that's possible.
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The only fluff I know of which supported this was the original fluff on genestealer cults. In its earliest incarnation, genestealer cults could dedicate themselves to chaos. I don't know if that's been totally retconned or just ignored. But once the cult gets absorbed by the hive fleet I think it's a moot point.
Wasn't there a Spacehulk in a story at some point, where they encountered chaos infected Tyranid? I haven't read it myself, but I have heard people on here talk about it.

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Maybe hearing this Warp Mind drive Nurgle insane... or more insane, if that's possible.
Yeah he's already bat-shit crazy, so that would be a sight for sore eyes :D
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The other problem here is a practical one. What would chaos Tyranids look like and how would they function?

So are we now talking Tyranids with tentacles, extra mouths, big claws, strange weapons? Is that really different or worth doing? I rather doubt it.

Unless there's some reasonable precedent for Tyranids being possessed by daemons or dedicating themselves to chaos I don't think this will really work.

The only fluff I know of which supported this was the original fluff on genestealer cults. In its earliest incarnation, genestealer cults could dedicate themselves to chaos. I don't know if that's been totally retconned or just ignored. But once the cult gets absorbed by the hive fleet I think it's a moot point.
I was picturing something energy based more than all mutated like CSM, a predator to demons. The is a picture of a Bloodthirster with its whip around a Carnifex's neck and more people saying that it was a foregone conclusion, I just wanted to see a Carnifex wrenching the neck of a Bloodthirster. Maybe in game like a swarm version of demons. If I could draw a connection, how close the stat line of the Genestealer and Demonette are.
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The tyranids are susceptible to the physical corruption of Chaos, but the tyranids lack any semblance of emotions as we could understand it. As such, they do not feed the Chaos gods by their actions and if they are aware of the daemons or gods at all, it would be as either a threat or something to be ignored, not prey as with other life forms.

Also, the Hive Mind itself exists entirely within the warp and is channeled by the synapse creatures of the swarm. It is a reflection of the collective tyranid psyche comprised of their entire race across all the hive fleets and in between. Something of that sheer scale would not be intimidated easily, even by a Chaos god. Hypothetically, given the spread of the Shadow in the Warp that accompanies the Hive Fleets, it is entirely possible that the tyranids are as capable of feeding on warp energy as flesh. The Hive Mind's spreading influence via the shadow in the warp driving psykers insane could be an indicator that the tyranids are in fact feeding on psychic energy as they encroach, drowning out psykers and daemons alike.


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