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Goddamn. Everybody is coming back for this. Very old returning characters;

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GW are digging out every single character they can for the End Times. Really nice to see that nobody will be forgotten.


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Yep! Have you got the Heraldry of the Empire book? I think in the new book when describing regiments of Sylvania, it states Manfredd tended to rename the units so they were more befitting of their new nature, the only one he didn't have to was the "Death Heads" I could of swore the dead heads were that sigmarite witch hunter unit in the heraldry book.

Half of the current Tomb Kings heroes from the army book are also dead like Khatep and Nekaph and I think Rhamotep to, perhaps Apophas to, although he turned into beetles upon his death, I dunno whether Nagash properly killed him. Also funny is that when certain tomb kings died, they ended up ripping the Vampires who killed to shreds due to their curse which was funny. Happened to one of Mannfred's who Mannfred was just starting to "like" he saved Manfredd from the Tomb King only to be devoured by beetles heh.
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These fluff summaries are amazing, thanks for the hard work you're putting in!

A question on rules though - are the End Times rules an add-on for the game? My friend (who suspiciously plays Tomb Kings) insists that it's an add-on to the basic game like Stronghold Assault for 40k.

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These fluff summaries are amazing, thanks for the hard work you're putting in!

A question on rules though - are the End Times rules an add-on for the game? My friend (who suspiciously plays Tomb Kings) insists that it's an add-on to the basic game like Stronghold Assault for 40k.
It has additional rules for scenarios but according to the book the undead legion is suitable to play in normal fantasy games. Every indication is that it's an expansion of the fantasy basic game it says:

New Warhammer Rules: These are new rules you can use in any game of Warhammer that allows you to recreate haunted landcapes and underground battles. This section also includes the Lore of Undeath, a new spell lore that allows your wizards to wield the fell magics unleashed by Nagash.

Further down in the description it says "...These new models can be used in the scenarios described, or added to your existing collection and used with the rest of your army in any other games that you play."

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Oh, well, looks like Tomb Kings just became a totally redundant army book. Thanks for the info

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Oh, well, looks like Tomb Kings just became a totally redundant army book. Thanks for the info
Well yes and no, tomb kings in the undead legion only have access to one of their heroes which is Khalida. They don't have Hierophants any more so no regen by default. You still need the army book since it has all the units and rules and magic items in it, so it's not totally redundant, to use the Undead Legion as a whole you still need both Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings army books.
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Well yes and no, tomb kings in the undead legion only have access to one of their heroes which is Khalida. They don't have Hierophants any more so no regen by default. You still need the army book since it has all the units and rules and magic items in it, so it's not totally redundant, to use the Undead Legion as a whole you still need both Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings army books.
I think being able to March and the removal of Crumbling when the Heirophant does is totally worth losing some characters. The Regen given by the Heirophant has almost never come into play when I've fought Tomb Kings as their units are completely incapable of standing up to Warriors of Chaos, regeneration or not. Add in the ability to cherry-pick units from Vampire Counts and I don't think TK can measure up to UL at all. Still - to each their own

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I think being able to March and the removal of Crumbling when the Heirophant does is totally worth losing some characters. The Regen given by the Heirophant has almost never come into play when I've fought Tomb Kings as their units are completely incapable of standing up to Warriors of Chaos, regeneration or not. Add in the ability to cherry-pick units from Vampire Counts and I don't think TK can measure up to UL at all. Still - to each their own
Yeah undoubtedly the Undead Legion is better, I was just saying there's still some use for the Tomb Kings book, albeit minor.
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Half of the current Tomb Kings heroes from the army book are also dead like Khatep and Nekaph and I think Rhamotep
What happenned to them then???Really good summaries by the way

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Further down in the description it says "...These new models can be used in the scenarios described, or added to your existing collection and used with the rest of your army in any other games that you play."
Huzzah I have more tactics against WoC more than attempting to run round them with chariots now!!

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I'm just waiting for more of the old Chaos heroes to show up: Aekold Helbrass, Arbaal the Undefeated, Egrimm van Horstman, Dechala the Denied One, Count Mordrek the Damned, Valnir the Reaper, the daemon prince Azazel, the Lord of Change Amon 'chakai.


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What happenned to them then???Really good summaries by the way
Killed in battle. I finally got my hands on an Ecopy of the book and practically every Tomb King hero is dead in battle with Nagash's forces, except Settra who survived and Khalida who bent the knee.


Also a little tidbit we missed in the earlier summary, Seerlord Kritislik of the Skaven is dead. Killed by the Horned Rat for being weak. And that means a new Seerlord will rise, and I think it's pretty obvious who that's going to be.


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