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Just read the extract teaser for The Curse of Khaine and it's a cracking read. Already a monumental truth that turns what was already a pivotal event into an incredibly pivotal event has been revealed in less than two chapters;



Damn... it's the little moments and changes that truly shake the world.


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I just don't know any more, that sounds poor.

Edit: By poor I mean it's get more and more "out there" as if they are just throwing any twist they can into it now, I'm genuinely worried how the fantasy world and game is going to end up after all this, at first I was ok with the changes but the idea Malekith would of beaten Chaos and that he's not as evil as he's become, admittedly I actually liked him in the legends series up until the point where he's not chosen. I just have a hard time accepting he would of defeated chaos, the whole point of chaos is you can't defeat it, you can only stem the tide. Now it seems they are throwing tyrion under the bus, and turning Malekith "good". They already have done it I guess elsewhere, Gelt is now "evil" or just "misunderstood" or "crazy" Vlad isn't that bad a vampire, Arkhan felt emotion, I just don't know any more, it's making me nervous.

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Sounds utter fucking ridiculous. "because chaos"?

Chaos is meant to be this futile force that's ever creeping. That they're scared of a cursed sons doesn't actually make sense. Why not simply have his mother kill him?



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I'll post the actual line here;

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One decision, poorly taken, and the defeat of the Chaos Gods was thrown away. One decision and the seeds were sown of a doom that was seven thousand years in the growing.
It is a cruel trick of Chaos that prophecy so often becomes self-fulfilling.

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Sounds utter fucking ridiculous. "because chaos"?

Chaos is meant to be this futile force that's ever creeping. That they're scared of a cursed sons doesn't actually make sense. Why not simply have his mother kill him?
Morathi has resisted Chaos for nearly seven thousand years, likely they knew that trying to get her to end him was a waste of time. Besides they didn't need Malekith dead, they just needed him to be passed over as Phoenix King.

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By poor I mean it's get more and more "out there" as if they are just throwing any twist they can into it now, I'm genuinely worried how the fantasy world and game is going to end up after all this, at first I was ok with the changes but the idea Malekith would of beaten Chaos and that he's not as evil as he's become, admittedly I actually liked him in the legends series up until the point where he's not chosen. I just have a hard time accepting he would of defeated chaos, the whole point of chaos is you can't defeat it, you can only stem the tide. Now it seems they are throwing Tyrion under the bus, and turning Malekith "good". They already have done it I guess elsewhere, Gelt is now "evil" or just "misunderstood" or "crazy" Vlad isn't that bad a vampire, Arkhan felt emotion, I just don't know any more, it's making me nervous.
At what point has there been any indication that Malekith is good?? Here is a line from the book, early on;

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The spymaster’s tone irritated Malekith. Insolence. Not enough to warrant death, that would be wasteful, but in pressing times control had to be total. Censure needed to be swift and obvious. The Witch King gave the slightest of nods to Kouran, who knew well enough what his master required.

The captain smashed a gauntleted fist into Ezresor’s face, bloodying his nose and sending him flailing to the floor. Widening his stance ready for a kick, Kouran looked back to his king but received a shake of the head.

‘Of course he is dead,’ said Malekith. ‘He is not stupid. He allowed the watch tower at Vartoth to fall and then compounded the error by leading a host of my warriors onto the glaciers to be slain by these hairy wretches from the Wastes. I am sure when the battle turned against him he threw himself on his own blade, or at least allowed one of the northmen to gut him like a pig, rather than face the fate he knew would await him in my dungeon.’
Malekith, I assure you, is still an evil dick.


As to his defeat of Chaos, I mis-explained the line a bit. What is says above is that Malekith being passed over as Phoenix King made a future where the Chaos Gods were defeated would not come to pass, how this is so, we don't know. It might have been Malekith that would had been responsible for their deaths, and while I do agree with you that now Chaos cannot be defeated, only stemmed, perhaps back then it was different. The Chaos Gods were newly arrived to the world in the time of Aenarion, perhaps their position wasn't very stable and if pressed, they might have had to abandon the world the way the Old Ones did in order to save themselves. Or maybe Malekith's reign would have sowed the seeds for their ultimate defeat in the End Times, there's no doubt that if Malekith had been king the Elven race would be vastly stronger than it is now, they might still rule the Old World and they would definitely be much greater in number and power than they are now; mainly because the Sundering would not have happened. Maybe this theoretical empowered Elven race and empire could have led the war against Chaos in the End Times and been victorious, but Malekith's actions when he was passed over made sure that this couldn't happen.

Just my theories.


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You mean Morathi, that she-elf who set up the Cult of Pleasure? And who was already in thrall to Slaanesh prior to the coming of Aenarion - her being the entire reason that Morathi was born?

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Who is he referring to in that passage with the spymaster, I hope they haven't killed off Malus.

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You mean Morathi, that she-elf who set up the Cult of Pleasure? And who was already in thrall to Slaanesh prior to the coming of Aenarion - her being the entire reason that Morathi was born?

Nope. Fucking gav thorpe.
She might have allowed the worship of Slaanesh, but Morathi would not allow herself to be in thrall to anyone or anything. Morathi wanted Malekith to be Phoenix King, the Gods didn't. They obviously knew that they would never be able to get her to kill Malekith because it would have ruined everything that she wanted. And in the end, even the Chaos Gods can't force someone to do their bidding, they can bribe, persuade, cajole and use all manner of threats, but they can't actually subvert free will.

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Who is he referring to in that passage with the spymaster, I hope they haven't killed off Malus.
He's talking about the guy that failed to keep Valkia and her horde back at the Watchtowers.


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Slaanesh used Morathi to try and turn Aenarion. It doesn't make sense, whichever way you try to turn it. Morathi and Slaanesh are as interlinked with one another from the first ever appearance of her in history. Everything that she is and has become is because of Slaanesh.

If Slaanesh can't control her, or becomes displeased, she becomes a spawn, like the untold millions who have tried before. That's their ultimate thing. After all - thousand and one dark blessings?

Eh, just back to the stupid Alith Anar bullshit back in Time of Legends things. I realise that GW is becoming a game changer here, but all the characters are the same. It's like saying that Karl Franz was never the emperor - the pas t hasn't been messed with, but here it has. Or he has completely ignored it.



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Isn't Morathi basically insane (properly insane, not regular Dark Elf insane) after her last attempt to break open the Vortex and unleash daemons all over the world went wrong? Eh, I don't really keep up with the Fantasy fluff as well as I should.

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