why is 40k more popular than fantasy? - Page 3 - Wargaming Forum and Wargamer Forums
General Warhammer This is the place to talk about everything related to Warhammer Fantasy.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #21 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-06-13, 11:42 PM
Senior Member
OgreChubbs's Flag is: Canada
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Posts: 285
Reputation: 10
Default

Fantasy is harder to paint, more tactical and requires more time and effort to play a good game. 40K army list/game can be played with about 15 minutes of thought.

Fantasy army list consist off.
Magic
Block troop
Flankers
Seige/long range
Shooting
LD needed

40k army consist off.
HQ
2 troops that everyone will use i.e. tactical squad/boys
box with treads is every tank or a frizby for eldar
atleast every second army you play will be a space marine since they get 9 codex for every 1 someone else gets.


Best thing they should do is start a game called space wars where you can only play a space marine and all their different colour brothers.

Then make a game called 40k where their is more armys.

Heresy is dead unless you pay to get a response
OgreChubbs is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #22 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-07-13, 01:48 AM
Critique for da CriticGod
 
Kreuger's Avatar
Kreuger's Flag is: USA
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA USA
Posts: 3,350
Reputation: 43
Default

In my area 40k has long been more popular. Both are common, and my old flgs would alternate seasons. About 6 months of each. And by that I mean the players who brought armies for the current game got table priority. And the off season players had to wait.

Hmm, it's been a long time since I played fantasy. I played from 4th edition in to 6th I think. I have heard unflattering things about the last two editions, including how random and magic centered they are, but I haven't played them to find out.

In my recollections however 2nd ed 40k was much more tactical. And more recent editions of 40k are getting back to that. Fantasy, as another member mentioned was a lot more like rock paper scissors. And I recall most of my games became boringly: lather, rinse, & repeat.

40k by virtue of the coherency, army variety, equipment, and different structure was much less predictable.

The last 4 editions of 40k following the addition of AP value (oh, how I hate it) became much more rock/paper/scissors. However rules changes after 2nd ed also made the game easier for entry level players, even though the cost to play increased by about double; the game size remained the same (1500-2000 points) but unit point costs were divided in half.

Chaos Army Showcase with photos (Updated 2013/12/02)
"To endure one's self is perhaps the hardest task in the universe." Frank Herbert, 'Dune Messiah'
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dethklokk
"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.

Originally Posted by Deathscythe4722
Could someone please call the police on this guy? I can hear the English Language screaming in pain. This has to be illegal somewhere.
Kreuger is offline  
post #23 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-07-13, 06:25 AM
blahblahblahblah
 
Stella Cadente's Avatar
Stella Cadente's Flag is: Zaire
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: blahblahblahblah
Posts: 6,663
Reputation: 10
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MidnightSun View Post
See, I disagree with the sentiment that it's more tactical. Fantasy, in the few games I've played but the many I've seen, boils down to bring a big fuckoff block of infantry and as many Level 4 Wizards as you can, then follow a set of fairly inflexible tactics (seriously, I've never seen High Elves do anything except sit on Throne of Vines and buff the shit out of either Swordmasters or Phoenix Guard. Never. I got bored playing Ogres because it's a. cast buffs, b. charge. That's the whole game plan). 40k has it's own imbalances (shooting > combat, for example), but unlike Fantasy you can build an army with minimal shooting, or minimal combat, or whatever. In Fantasy, you take a magic-heavy army, because it's the only competitive option.

Midnight
This ^^^

Fantasy has no tactics, from what I've played and see its exactly as above
Step 1: bring magic
Step 2: win
Step 3: brag and tell everyone how tactical the game is -_-'

Love some of the models though

Stella Cadente is offline  
 
post #24 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-07-13, 10:42 AM
Senior Member
 
Madden's Avatar
Madden's Flag is: United Kingdom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 124
Reputation: 1
Default

For me it's a time thing, it's quicker to plan set up and play a 40k game than fantasy also it's instant action. As my spare time is few and far between (parenting/real life) I like to get an instant escape rather than an hour of meticulous movement and falling hard by one dice roll!( exaggeration but not by much). Sure when I have a lot of spare time I like fantasy but that rarely happens.
Madden is offline  
post #25 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-07-13, 01:22 PM
Mad as a sack of Squigs
 
Ratvan's Avatar
Ratvan's Flag is: England
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Leeds, UK
Posts: 2,035
Reputation: 9
Default

I've always been a massive fan of fantasy and although 8th is mostly my favourite edition I still feel that certain phases overshadow the game. In certain match ups/armies it can be very tactical but that is becoming much more rare than it previously was. Many/most of the tactics at the moment for myself is how I can keep my army coherant (Orcs and Goblins). I've tried to get into 40k but found it so extremely dull to play.

I still love playing fantasy but the games now are more how can I avoid the big spell and bring down that uber deathstar horde with my themed OnG. Its never a massacre one way or another but small margins of victory that keeps me playing for now
Ratvan is offline  
post #26 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-07-13, 02:19 PM
Senior Member
 
Orochi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,861
Reputation: 9
Default

I think MidnightSun nailed it. 40k gives you several armies that can be played in a handful of competitive ways - Fantasy gives you several armies that have to be played in one way to be competitive... and as aforementioned, this 'one way' is the same for nearly every army.

Fantasy is somewhat slower than 40k. Granted, flyers do move faster than anything in 40k, but with general movement being greater, I feel that the game flow in 40k is a lot smoother.

The loose formations that 40k infantry etc can move around in only amplifies this fact.
Orochi is offline  
post #27 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-09-13, 12:05 PM
Junior Member
 
JontheWarmaster's Avatar
JontheWarmaster's Flag is: USA
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Maine
Posts: 2
Reputation: 1
Default

At my FLGS, 40k is the dominant GW game to play. Not saying there isn't a healthy amount of fantasy players (because, there are), but the amount of 40k players to Fantasy is about 3 to 1.
As it has been said, I have begun to notice that the fantasy players at the shop tend to lean more towards the older crowd. I used to be very large into Fantasy when I was younger(I'm 20 now), but that was mainly due to all the really cool models; and not to mention, the feel of controlling a literal 'army'. (not just a 20 man skirmish force of space marines!)
As of right now, I'm strongly considering building a Lizardmen army, (admittedly due to the amazing new models, and feel the army gives off) as well as playing 40k on a regular basis. So I'm not going to be one sided on which games I play. Another FLGS that I have been going to just reached module 1 on the GW supplier chain, and has thusly begun to move into the realm of tabletop games. 40k is the dominant game there as well(if you count 6 or so people as dominant), however, one of the guys that work there and I have been trying to push people into trying Fantasy as well so as to raise popularity.
In the end, both games are awesome. They each have their own quirks, and styles of play, but we play our games because they're fun to us; not because they're popular.

1750 pts of painted Ferro Zoican Chaos guard
1750 pts painted HH World Eaters
1500-1750 pts of soon to be Raven Guard
1250-1500 pts Rust-crons
JontheWarmaster is offline  
post #28 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-17-13, 07:49 PM
Senior Member
 
Jam123456's Avatar
Jam123456's Flag is: United Kingdom
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 207
Reputation: 2
Default

I think 40K is perhapse the easier way into the table top gaming.
firstly its a lot cheaper which means that kids can soon collect a reasonable army and enjoy playing without having to fork out a small fortune (which most don't have).

Secondly its also a time consideration as well. You can set up and play a game of 40K in under an hour. most people don't have more than a couple hours to go and play a game. When it can take over 30 minutes to set up a fantasy game thats eating into precious gaming time.
Just rolling for terrain takes a long time and if your playing even a small fantasy game say 1500pts your deployment can take 20 minutes ( when you have to take out 100+ models and put them on the brd).

I like playing both games. I like my Eldar in 40k and I really enjoy the fluff and books so thats fun for me. but I love my daemons in 40k and in fantasy. tactically both can be a real challenge I'm newer to fantasy but so far i don't find it any harder. just more time consuming to do everything.
Jam123456 is offline  
post #29 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-17-13, 08:19 PM
Senior Member
 
neilbatte's Avatar
neilbatte's Flag is: Great Britain
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: norfolk
Posts: 1,697
Reputation: 1
Default

I think that the missions you roll are a factor as well, Some are so stupid that the whole game can be decided before you start, Watch tower I'm looking at you.
The amount of models in fantasy also restricts army variation which can mean games get repetative whereas in 40k just by putting in a few transports you can change the way the whole army plays.

<img src="https://www.heresy-online.net/daemons/adoptables/888.gif" alt="Broken Daemon Image" /><br><a
neilbatte is offline  
post #30 of 32 (permalink) Old 08-18-13, 08:18 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 52
Reputation: 3
Default

Personally and I realise I'm new. But I think it comes down to 40k getting bigger marketing presence. Whether it's because of the video games or whatever else.
Back when I first became aware Of the Wargaming it was 40k that sparked my imagination and in turn fantasy "wasn't 40k".
I dunno I know nothing about it so maybe it's just that.

I have recently heard the lizard men's fluff and that is just epic
The 13th is offline  
Reply

  Lower Navigation
Go Back   Wargaming Forum and Wargamer Forums > Warhammer Fantasy Battles & Age of Sigmar > General Warhammer

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Wargaming Forum and Wargamer Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome