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The latest 40k Starter Kit is flying off the shelves and GW's thoughts must be now turing to the next Fantasy set (if they have not in fact already started work on it).

'Tis an exciting prospect to consider, given the quality of the last few sets.

What though, will be in it?

As a general thing, the following holds true:

It will almost certainly be Order Vs Disorder. There haven't been two armies from the same side since 5th ed's Brets Vs Lizardmen.

Is very likely to be Elite(ish) Vs Hoard(ish).

It will most likely NOT feature any army that already has an 8th ed book, nor any of the armies which get a book in 2013. GW generally (there are exceptions) likes to update the armies in the kit very close to the kit itself - most often one just before and one just after the new edition.


Those points actually give us quite a lot to work with.

So far in 8th we've seen Greenskins, Tomb Kings, Ogres, Vamps and Empire. To these we may confidently add Warriors of Chaos, Daemons and High Elves as also being 'too early' to be likely features of a 2014 Starter Kit. (We may also disregard both High Elves and Skaven for other, more obvious reasons).

That leaves the following contenders:

Order:
Bretonnia
Dwarves
Lizardmen
Wood Elves

Disorder:
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Dark elves


Going out on a limb here, I'd say Dwarves are unlikely, purely because they got the job in seventh.

Any of the remaining Forces of Order could appear, in fact, all of them have appeared in previous starter kits except for the Wood Elves.

Whilst it's not unknown for an army to feature in two starter kits (HE and Greenskins have both got two to their names) I'm going to have to call this one for the Woodies.


For the Forces of Disorder, Beastmen are the stand-out choice. $0k's Marine Vs Marine kit notwithstanding, having two similar armies like Wood Elves and Dark Elves in the kit seems like a bad idea.

Beastmen tick all the boxes, though. They can be hoardish compared to the Woody's Elitishness, they have a very differnet playstyle (CC compared to shooting).

I think the Beastmen's aesthetic is also a good choice. I can see the Wood elves performing poorly in the all-important 'Little Timmy' demographic. They are a bit girly looking, but the Beastmen will definately appeal to Timmy with their gnarly, macho vibe...


So, Battle for Loren, anyone?

What d'you think? And what would you like to see in the kit, or done with the kit? (Ideally for more reason than you collect army X and want some cheap minis).

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Dwarves vs Dark Elves? I'm sure they'll come up with some fluff to make it plausible.

However I don't think we'll be seeing a new starter set for fantasy for a while considering 8th ed rules seem to be fairly stable so there's no need for a quick turn around. Plus with the hobbit included in the mix the release schedule will be rather packed already over the next couple of years so we might see a 6 year gap between editions like with 6th (when LotR was released)

If there is a long gap between editions then I think we could even see a current 8th ed army get another revamp - maybe Tomb Kings considering the book is the least competitive.

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Hi dude,
Yeah I also agree it would be pretty exciting to have a new Warhammer Fantasy starter set. I would hope that they put it together with armies that havent been re-done yet. I think that we could see Bretonnia cause they are a cool army, on horses with heaps of armour, etc, meaning they would appeal to people who want to start the hobby. If they were to do Bretonia both Beastmen and Dark Elves would fit for evil side. But whatever the turn out it will be awesome judging off the latest 40k starter set
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personally i think your reasoning is a little off, an army having received a army book in the previous edition is no basis to exclude it from a starter set, as long as the models included in the starter set are available in the army book all is good, the primary concern when putting together a starter set would be what can they get away with in terms of snap fit models, so what can look amazing but only needs a small number of parts?
I would say the most likely are the Brets as they need the most attension and a boost that a starter set can give, and given that they are the good guys i would say either chaos or undead, but i think they will shock us and throw out deamons as the bad guys.
They just had an update in WD so a new book in 2014 isnt out of the way, alot of the range is plastic already but we still need greater deamons in plastic, what better BIG guy to chuck into a starter set than a blood thirster in plastic? plus some seekers and infantry vs Cavalry heavy Brets with some men at arms, foot knights and a sorceress on a horse/pegasus/foot



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personally i think your reasoning is a little off, an army having received a army book in the previous edition is no basis to exclude it from a starter set, as long as the models included in the starter set are available in the army book all is good, the primary concern when putting together a starter set would be what can they get away with in terms of snap fit models, so what can look amazing but only needs a small number of parts?
Very true... However, having seen the IoB and Dark Vengeance models I now subscribe to the theory that GW's plastics department are in fact wizards and can do anything.


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I would say the most likely are the Brets as they need the most attension and a boost that a starter set can give, and given that they are the good guys i would say either chaos or undead, but i think they will shock us and throw out deamons as the bad guys.
I'd love to see Brets in the next boxset, I mean, I only have 48 Knights - I definitely need more!

I did wonder if Daemons would feature myself. The problem is, they would seem to be unsuitable for the... let us call it 'Little Timmy's Mum' demographic. She might not be so keen to pay 75 for those nasty things.

Also, Harry reckons Daemons are due in the early part of next year, which would seem the wrong moment...

Bretonnia Vs Tomb Kings would be cool and probably very, very marketable. They are both very stylish, easily grokked themes. They could call it Knight of the Living Dead.


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I think a new starter set is highly unlikely given that the current set has Skaven and High Elves and was produced with 8th edition out.

High Elves are rumoured to be in the mix for a new book in the first half of 2013 and Skaven's book was written with 8th edition in the works
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They will do an Organic/cloth and an Armoured force. Wood Elves and Chaos Warriors imho.



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I think Wood Elves V. Beastmen would be fantastic, but i think it seems more likely that it would be Chaos Warriors like Vaz said. GW always seems start an army's astetic revamp with a starter kit, not before it, which excludes Beastmen who have been getting pretty new models lately. Wood elves would be perfect canidates for this. As for little Timmy, if i was a little kid i would love to see gnarly living trees crushing armored evil warriors. It would also give GW the chance to make plastic versions of a few of the Wood Elves metal special units.

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I think a new starter set is highly unlikely given that the current set has Skaven and High Elves and was produced with 8th edition out.

High Elves are rumoured to be in the mix for a new book in the first half of 2013 and Skaven's book was written with 8th edition in the works
we are talking about the 9th edition starter set.



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