So I haven't seen this discussed much around here, but in my gaming group it gets thrown around a lot. So I pose some questions:
1. What do you think of ETC?
2. Has anyone used it in a non tourney game?
3. Am I the only one that feels ETC rules are nothing more than homebrew rules?
IMO, which is what I'm asking people for, I think ETC is this: It is homebrew rules from a bunch of power gamers who started to get beat by newer players with some unbalance lists. Instead of admitting this, and playing better, they decided to browbeat tournament organizers into playing their way (IE theres enough people who want the changes. If the organizers didn't cave, then these players would pull out, dropping the tournament down in numbers...thats just a theory). Some of the rules are ridiculous, assigning "counts as power dice and dispel dice" status to items and such that don't generate either type of dice. Perfect example, Infernal Puppet. Is it good? Absolutely. Does it actually generate dispel dice? No, and there's seriously nothing in the Ogre Kingdoms book that should be tamed? Mornfang Cav for instance? I am all for fairness and balance, but enough. You shouldn't be able to change entire rules to fit how you want to play. I'm not talking about using the GW pdf FAQ's either....these are blatant changes to rules that there is not context for in the rules explanation. Like, how do they justify a Look Out Sir roll for Dweller's Below, Infernal Gateway, or any of the other unit deleting spells. If you don't want your characters to die from those spells, don't put them in juicy targets. All they (ETC peeps) did, was say "Yeah we want the benefits of generals, bsb's and such in a big scary unit, but we don't want the risks." OR! saying that DE can only take 2 of their best items, Cauldron, Hydra, Death and Shadow Wizards, Pendant of Khaeleth....I can only have 20 shades max and 35 Crossbowman? Sounds like someone making up, and I say making up because thats all it is, the rules got a sore spot from DE. Instead of me listing and ranting, just see for yourself.
So am I crazy? Am I the only who finds this insulting? Every army has "cheese" components to it, whether its Bloodletters in a horde, a Slann with cupped hands and ruination, Ethereal units in VC that can hold up monsters for whole games, dual hydras, or anything else you can think of. Part of playing this game, I feel, is enjoying the crazy crap you and your opponent bring to the table. Then laughing when it does exactly what you though it would to your army, and laughing harder when it doesn't. Today, I faced VC with Daemons. My Bloodletters, 40 of them 8x5, lost to 30 skeletons, 2 wide. Thats was comedic. The other part, again I feel, is that if someone drops down that unit or character that makes you groan with cheese hatred, you figure out a way to beat it. Complaining and making up your own rules doesn't count, although a little friendly jab doesn't hurt. Like when your opponent drops a horde of Chaos Warriors, "Hey man, you didn't have to roll out the cheese spread for me." Anyway, please weigh in.