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Has anyone yet brought up the fact that some armies have more of a need to spam to stay competitive then others?


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Has anyone yet brought up the fact that some armies have more of a need to spam to stay competitive then others?
All good armies "spam" in that they take multiples of units for the sake of redundancy. Some armies have to "spam" more than others because they have less good units. Chaos, Tyranids, Tau and Necrons are just a few examples.
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Don't see why you wouldn't spam the units you like.....
not like you can tell the other person what to buy or anything :/ I find too many people complain about spam. dunno why though is it more powerful? maybe if you spam good units but then again why would you spam shit units? (unless you're a fluff player ofc)

Think it's just a case of some people can't handle spam :/

either way I think it doesn't really matter it's all a game in the end and everyone has their own style and some like to play their best all of the time.....why does that have to be a bad thing?

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What is counted as spam? Is it spam when it becomes using them for duality/redundancy in a competitive army list? Is it spam when they're shit units? I don't remember people complaining about Spammed Chaos Spawn, Spammed Penal Legion, or Spammed Scouts.



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I spam units that I like. I also spam units that are effective, because the alternatives arent any better, and its always nice to win occasionally.
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What is counted as spam? Is it spam when it becomes using them for duality/redundancy in a competitive army list? Is it spam when they're shit units? I don't remember people complaining about Spammed Chaos Spawn, Spammed Penal Legion, or Spammed Scouts.
That's just it, it depends entirely on who you're asking. For some people taking more than one of anything is spamming, for others they don't care unless the unit is a powerful one. It's another one of those things that most people don't even necessarily agree on the definition most of the time and thus it's very difficult to quantify. Hence why I don't take it seriously.
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He's not. D-A-C just has his own ideas of how the game should be played and expresses them on the forums.
Considering all the disagreements we've had about how the game should be player with regards to competitive vs casual, I think that counts as the nicest thing you've ever said about me.

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That's just it, it depends entirely on who you're asking. For some people taking more than one of anything is spamming, for others they don't care unless the unit is a powerful one. It's another one of those things that most people don't even necessarily agree on the definition most of the time and thus it's very difficult to quantify. Hence why I don't take it seriously.
I think spam is spam, when a person is using a particular unit as a kind of crutch for his army.

'Oh this is the best unit, in terms of how easy it is to use and its overall stats ... spam, spam, spam.'

This is most notable in codices were there are viable alternatives to the model being spammed.

In the Chaos Codex spamming Obliterators and Daemon Princes (in some peoples view) is necessary to win.

But when codices like Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Daemons come out, and have multiple choices of very decent units, and people spam, Razorbacks, Long Fangs and Heralds of Tzeentch then this becomes a problem IMO.

Now everyone says that I complain because I lose ... not so.

Once you find the weakness of the spam, in terms of better units against them, or their tactical flaws, they are actually pretty straightforward to beat.

But ... I have to change my army to play such opponents, I can't take chances with some marginal but fun units.

I have to drop things like the 30pt Boon of Mutation power, which is incredibly fun but very unreliable. So because more and more opponents are spamming in their armies, in order to stand a chance, I often have to alter how my army is set-up.

Also how these armies tactically play out is always the same, because they are based on spamming the same units, so the whole army has the same strengths and weaknesses, so these games in general always play the same every time, with few real changes.

No fun unexpected twists and turns because when you beat one unit, their is two more of the same. Whereas when my Seekers are wiped off the bored, they are gone, and I now rely on Blood Hounds, and IMO from a narrative side of things, this is actually really enjoyable. Whats more fun that killing a HQ in an epic showdown? But if there are two of them ala Daemon Princes or Heralds, wheres the fun in that?

So other peoples choices end up limiting MY choices. That's why I keep pointing out that its a social hobby, what other people do, effects me, thats why I raise issues such as competitive vs casual, unit spamming etc.

Now maybe the answer is, now when to have super awesome competitive battles and more fun and casual battles.

Most people though don't like one style or are unwilling to adjust when necessary and to some extent this even includes me.

But its still necessary and important to discuss all the major styles, attitudes and trends of how people are playing the game of 40k because it is a social hobby.

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hmmmm... this discussion brings up some interesting points and questions... I am a Chaos Space Marine player, i only play with my older brother (black templars/grey knights...). i play for fun obviously and im not interested in "compettetive lists", i pick the units i like and i play. we play assasination/annihilation missions with an unlimited turn count with roughly 2500-3000 points. its a good saturday of fun. back to the point, we dont tailor our lists to beat eachother, nor do we have to worry about objectives and crap, we play to kill and win, in our own way. now, i have found that, at least with csm, that some units are absolute garbage (posessed, spawn, raptors) or cost way to much (bikes, raptors, thousand sons) to use effectively and match my brother model for model, or unit for unit. there are some units that balance points cost with combat effectiveness (plague marines, terminators, vindicator/defiler, etc.) i like having variety and i believe that theres the perfect tool (unit) for every job (combat situation) so id like to have the wide variety of options that other armies have (skimmers or even fast vehicles, cheaper bikes, 3+ inv on someone, drop pods, controllable dreadnoughts, etc). but i dont so i use the best available units in my army to suit my playstyle and the nature of our games. i use terminators, plague marines, land raiders, vindicators, defilers, rhinos, things that i enjoy playing with and that i've found that make it easier for me to pull off a victory. ultimately i play for fun above anything else, but in order to compete with black templars i have to spam certain units because there arent any other viable choices. i blame the csm codex for that, but its the army i chose because i like the fluff, appearance, and method of play. im not going to chose outright garbage units because i want variety, you have to match entertainment with combat effectiveness.
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as i have said before, some armies rely on 'spamming' to be effective, IE: Venom warriors or raider wytches for DE.

both of those lists are competitive because they spam, and fully intend on losing half of the groups early.

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Spamming chosen is my thing, don't like it then eat white hot plasma.


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