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post #231 of 262 (permalink) Old 01-19-11, 06:06 PM
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In the interest of trying to stay on topic I got to say certain imperial guard lists just ruin my day, Really 9 plasma cannon shots?
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@katie what?!!?!? Tweaking IS tailoring. Youve realized that your current list will not beat the loganwing list so youve decided to change it however small a change it might be (thats my point). You walk enough feet and you'll eventually go a mile ;)

Also as far as the mephiston thing goes, you can make up fluff for anything. For example my chaos havocs are 10,000 years old therefore better than long fangs. As such they can split fire, have relentless, and can fire twice a turn. Hey now i dont have to bring obliterators

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@katie what?!!?!? Tweaking IS tailoring. Youve realized that your current list will not beat the loganwing list so youve decided to change it however small a change it might be (thats my point). You walk enough feet and you'll eventually go a mile ;)
No, it's really not. Making one or two small changes in order to make a better rounded army isn't the same as purpose-building a list for the sole purpose of taking someone else's down.

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Also as far as the mephiston thing goes, you can make up fluff for anything. For example my chaos havocs are 10,000 years old therefore better than long fangs. As such they can split fire, have relentless, and can fire twice a turn. Hey now i dont have to bring obliterators
I don't really see what you're getting at. You're basically arguing that because you don't think any Space Marine should be that tough, that Mephiston is a cheese unit that nobody should use? Is this right or am I missing something?

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Also as far as the mephiston thing goes, you can make up fluff for anything. For example my chaos havocs are 10,000 years old therefore better than long fangs. As such they can split fire, have relentless, and can fire twice a turn. Hey now i dont have to bring obliterators
Your CSM aren't 10k years old. Time in the warp doesn't adhere to the same rules as time in real space. Besides, chances are your random chaos dude wouldn't last through 10k years of combat.

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In the interest of trying to stay on topic I got to say certain imperial guard lists just ruin my day, Really 9 plasma cannon shots?
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I run 2 Exectutioners with Plasma sponsons, thats 10 plasma right there, then 2 Chiplasmavets, another 6. Total is 16 plasma shots a turn. Have a nice day.


On that Space Marine thing up there, they may be badass, but you have to remember there are only like 20 of them in a 2k list sooo...

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Anyone that thinks Mephiston is cheese has never used Mephiston in a 40k battle.

I have, many times, and he always gets smashed.

THAT many points for a unit with no invul save and no EW? No thanks, it's crapola.

The Sanguinor, on the other hand, is a different story...

All of this has happened before.
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I don't really see what you're getting at. You're basically arguing that because you don't think any Space Marine should be that tough, that Mephiston is a cheese unit that nobody should use? Is this right or am I missing something?
Yeah you are. The title of the thread.

What units are so cheese YOU almost refuse to play armies with them?

And I think mephiston is cheese

NOTE: the title doesnt say which unit can we all agree on is cheese or if cheese even exists. Just what unit YOU think is cheese ;)

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Ok so his havocs are only 300+ years old or so, that is still damn old even by marine standards.


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In my personal opinion there aren't any cheesy units or cheesy armies but there damn sure are a lot of cheesy tactics (note just because it's cheesy does not mean I won't play against it, gotta love a challenge).

The cheesiect tactic I use to pull was the shitload of IG missile launchers with three or four command units loaded with meltaguns, all sitting cozy in the background with lots of guardsmen in front to soak up the fire of the enemy. Oh I use to love when someone would drop their 5 man termie squad near my amassed legion of MLs. They would laugh saying "They have a 2+ save, they'll survive". Then before I would fire I would run this little five man unit with four Meltas up to them and hose down at least 2 if not more of them. Then shoot the shit out of the rest sure it took a third of my forces but the look on someone's face when their mighty 5 man 2+ save heroes evaporate before their eyes...well I can only say it's priceless.
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Thanks luke and @gen: i said "make up" fluff

But to be honest i didnt know how old they were. I just had thought somewhere in the fluff there was something about the traitor marines of 40k being the same ones who fought in the heresy

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