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i don't know if it's just me but I'm sick of seeing special characters constantly played. I don't mind people playing them once in a while but are people such bad generals they can't live without there precious ghaz or eldrad.

here is my example

yesterday i went to a local gw store ( first time going ) since I wanted to play a different crowed. I played two games each of them were two on two. so i take my GK army. now first game I get teamed up with daemon player with fateweaver. we go against orks and DE. orks have gaz DE have vect. so boring

next game I get teamed up with a space wolf player with grimnar. our opponents were orks ( different player ) also with ghaz and a chaos marine player with abbadon.

really can't they just use regular hq or do they suck that badly without them

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there was another thread like this. You kind of sound like your raging about this, did you lose to them? is that it?

Consider this, I want to play a Salamanders SM army, how do I incorporate their masterful weapons of war, and their preferance for heat based weapons. WAIT! I'VE GOT IT! I'll use Vulkan He'stan.

I want to play a White Scars Army, but a captain on bike doesnt do it for me, wait a second..Khorsarro Khan?!

My Red corsairs need an iconic leader..whats this? Huron Blackheart?!

You get the idea. Of course people run them often, their good. Its only logical.

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Yes, but then you get the... wait for it... homebrew Chapter led by Calgar/ Khan/ Vulcan/ whatever, for no logical reason other than they can't make their own Chapter Master/ Captain.
Or Ultramarines led by Khan/ Vulcan/ Cantor/ Shrike.
And so on on on ad nauseum.

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I think it would be good to think about what bothers you about special characters. They Have come a long way since needing armies of certain sizes and special permission to play them, and GW is pretty clearly making them have a larger role in game.

Do you hate the fact that, fluff-wise Ghaz seems to be leading every raiding party in the universe? Or do you just think that they're unbalanced? I feel like they are pretty well costed for the most part, and I like how they can allow armies to be run in different ways. Would footslog orks be as compelling without that delicious 6" Waaagh? Or would those players just start rolling in battlewagons as a safe alternative?

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I think it would be good to think about what bothers you about special characters. They Have come a long way since needing armies of certain sizes and special permission to play them, and GW is pretty clearly making them have a larger role in game.

Do you hate the fact that, fluff-wise Ghaz seems to be leading every raiding party in the universe? Or do you just think that they're unbalanced? I feel like they are pretty well costed for the most part, and I like how they can allow armies to be run in different ways. Would footslog orks be as compelling without that delicious 6" Waaagh? Or would those players just start rolling in battlewagons as a safe alternative?
I never liked the permission thing, that's well rid-of... however, the armies of certain sizes/ leading specific armies should have been kept.

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Ever think people just love the fluff around them? You seem particularly bitchy for no good reason.

I love to use a counts-as Logan Grimnar in my ęsir army because he let's me field WG as troops. Does that make me a bad ge.... I am going to say player because calling yourself a general for playing with plastic toys sounds like the behavior of a pompous ass. But I digress. Does using him make me a bad player? Fuck no. It just means I have the intelligence to recognize my playing style and use the character that allows me to do that.

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I take them for FLUFF. I have few named heros in my armys.
Lysander - I play Imperial Fists
Prince Yriel - I play Iyanden Eldar
Baharroth - I have a large number of "crimson Vulters" or Swooping hawks
The Sanguinor - Can be use dfor any chapture and i love the mdoal more than anything else.
Gabriel Seth - I needed him for a tornment and i somethime suse him to prepsent a Captain.
Hawker - I play Catachan
My Chaos and Tyranid don't even have any special charatures.

I play fluffy and personly i think it's stupid someone complaing that you are playing a game fluffy or that you just love the modal

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sven- tied the first ( good old football mission ) and won the second.

don't get me wrong I do see how they can help armies seem more fluffy but when people just seem to want to run special characters constantly in there list it's just annoying.

ascendant- fluff reasons I suppose. would you really think all these big important people would be in this little battle at once.

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Special Characters now-a-days aren't just cool guys with spiffy rules.

They're integral parts of an army list that changes the way the army plays on a fundamental level. You cannot run an all veteran list without Pedro. If somebody wants to play a Sternguard list, they are going to need him. So, I'm totally happy when I see a custom painted army that is using its 1st company vets, led by a count-as Pedro.

Its fun, and adds variety.

The only problem you may find is when you run in to a special character that is too good NOT to take. Looking at you, vulkan.

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I can understand why it's tiring to see them so often (although I think they're great myself) but that's jut how the game is these days. The special characters tend to be both a) awesome and b) add some sort of character or theme to the army. Chances are they won't be going away anytime soon.
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