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No system is going to be perfect though.

You could have a passionate long-term gamer design the rules to be absolutely perfect in their view, and 80% of other people will complain. Perfect in one persons eyes is flawed in someone elses.

The rules as they are now are perfectly reasonable.
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So it seems that 5th ed. is destined to be unloved? Maybe once 7th ed. comes out people will look back more fondly. People tend to remember the good things more strongly with the passage of time, in 10years time it might seem like the best edition ever. Who can say.
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People who enjoy competition and tactical thought? You'll find the minority who dislike it and don't like GW producing "power armies" (read: good and balanced codecies) are quite vocal about it but those who enjoy it don't come out of the woodwork.

What's to dislike about a gaming system which encourages tactical thought and mobility?
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So it seems that 5th ed. is destined to be unloved? Maybe once 7th ed. comes out people will look back more fondly. People tend to remember the good things more strongly with the passage of time, in 10years time it might seem like the best edition ever. Who can say.
What do you mean by unloved?
What is your definition of "love"?

Almost everyone thinks that this is the best edition so far.
What else do you want from the rules?
You want a rule that states that a female worker from GW must give you a blowjob during every game you play?
As i said before, im happy with the rulebook, but just because people aren't sticking their dicks in the rulebook and blowing their load all over the wound allocation page doesnt mean that they hate it.

Just because we dont worship the rulebook like the bible doesn't mean we hate it.


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Person A: "What do you mean I can't see your models, I blatantly can!" Person B: "Doesn't matter, this terrain is classified as size 1/2/3 whatever".
I liked that rule as you could put models sort of on the hill and it did not matter; now balancing them where they actually are makes a difference.

And all the stepped hills we used that could be defined as different heights in different games to vary things a little are now slight bumps that give some cover but do not block LoS.
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What do you mean by unloved?
What is your definition of "love"?

Almost everyone thinks that this is the best edition so far.
What else do you want from the rules?
You want a rule that states that a female worker from GW must give you a blowjob during every game you play?
As i said before, im happy with the rulebook, but just because people aren't sticking their dicks in the rulebook and blowing their load all over the wound allocation page doesnt mean that they hate it.

Just because we dont worship the rulebook like the bible doesn't mean we hate it.
Dude, read what you are writing! Love is an intense feeling of affection. I know that not everyone is a literary genius, but love is a pretty simple word in everyday usage. You don't sound like someone that has ever loved, if you only think of your dick.
Just saying the rules are ok and seem to work does not express a deep feeling of affection or appreciation. Not hating something does NOT mean that you therefor love it! Please read your posts before clicking on submit.

I am not suggesting that everyone SHOULD love it, but I am just surprised that so few people actually do. I know people that love WFB, and Space Hulk. There aren't millions of them, but they really proclaim their affection for the game as a beautiful thing.
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Dude, read what you are writing! ...
Love is an intense feeling of affection...
Just saying the rules are ok and seem to work does not express a deep feeling of affection or appreciation...
Please read your posts before clicking on submit...
If you have deep feelings of affection towards a book, i think you may need some serious help...


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I like 5th but my issues lie for me in the 3 main rules -

1) Cover - I believe this needs more detail in it's explanation - I mean realistically I believe if I'm in a tower and your on a hill how do you gain a 5+ cover save when going to ground just because it's a terrain feature! Hills should not give cover unless your on the other side and obscured by them! Other than this point I like cover rules due to playing an army with little to no saves!

2) Run rule - Yes it makes it quicker but kills the biggest advantage of my DE(and a few other armies that had this ability before) in that we have pretty much all got fleet, yes we can assault after running but there are few good CC units in DE that can do this well - wyches and archons(without incubi) are about the only thing worth it . I just don't hate it because my main army is DE but the fact this ability used to be a game changing and tactical advantage ability now it's just like a space marine having a boltgun!

3) Scoring system - Enough said!
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I despise 5th, not as much as I despised 4th "rending" edition mind, but an edition that reduces tanks to buildings, and almost forces you to spam transports, with stupid LOS rules (why can you kill my entire squad if you can only see 1 of my men?), and how easy to abuse the LOS rules are because of how literal they are written, and many many other problems like leaving most codexes as nothing more than asswiping paper just makes it ridiculous.

gimme back 3.5, I loved 3rd, I loved 3.5 even more than that.

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i wouldn't say i 'love' 5th i like it yeh but there are some really broken rules, like only troops count as scoring units. I'm looking forward to 6th but i'm not impatient for it


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