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In short: Less ads and more quality articles.

A price drop would also be nice, as it is I can buy a new novel for the same price (or 2-4 2nd-hand ones).

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What should GW put in their magazines then?
Back to the old days... Card cut-outs for war-gear cards or spell cards, or even terrain or rules cheat sheets.

Proper battle reports where the results aren't fixed.

Special character rules. Sargeant Centurius anyone?

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Last one I bought was AMAZING..... But that was several years ago, I just dont bother now.

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I don't know about the battle reports, aside from my issue with how they're written nowadays, like some story with a narrative (which i think might increase the impression that they're fixed) i don't know what they're trying to do. I feel the main target for the reports is for those collectors that don't get to play often, so that they can still keep in contact with what the hobby's mainly about, the fighting.

Bearing that in mind I think you could argue that some of the more 'questionable' troops selections are intentional, a sort of this is what not to do thing. I think they are aimed at the less experienced gamer, unfortunately with the way they're (usually) reported nowadays it's actually very hard to follow. A good battle report recently was the Beastmen vs empire and brettonia one (UK WD 362), they discussed some of the descisions they had to make and what they thought of at the time rather than trying to make it into a story.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the office when they're deciding on the forces to use in the reports, to find out if the guys fighting think they really are using their best force or if there's orders to take particular models.

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I don't know about the battle reports, aside from my issue with how they're written nowadays, like some story with a narrative (which i think might increase the impression that they're fixed) i don't know what they're trying to do. I feel the main target for the reports is for those collectors that don't get to play often, so that they can still keep in contact with what the hobby's mainly about, the fighting.

Bearing that in mind I think you could argue that some of the more 'questionable' troops selections are intentional, a sort of this is what not to do thing. I think they are aimed at the less experienced gamer, unfortunately with the way they're (usually) reported nowadays it's actually very hard to follow. A good battle report recently was the Beastmen vs empire and brettonia one (UK WD 362), they discussed some of the descisions they had to make and what they thought of at the time rather than trying to make it into a story.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the office when they're deciding on the forces to use in the reports, to find out if the guys fighting think they really are using their best force or if there's orders to take particular models.
Haha, I read some of that report (since I got 2 copies of WD with an order for free. Guess they can't sell them anymore. Wonder why?) and it was pretty funny reading their after the game thoughts. It was all like "I blame my opponent and my dice rolls. And I lost because I was boastful."
Funny, because the way I see it was that you lost because you moved like a blind pigeon, charged the beastmen bait units without a moment of thought and generally played like a jellyfish with a tumor the size of Mick Jaggers mouth.

Yeah, that battlerep was so full of amazingly useful tactics. It was like the fountain of youth for my rusty fantasy experience.


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I stopped buying White Dwarf and indeed went out of the hobby back in around 1990/91 because it had become an advert, even back then.
And then came that fateful day in 1995 when Necromunda got its first front cover, round about 189, I think. I bought the magazine and realised that they'd finally got around to releasing a watered down version of "Confrontation", a game which they'd been publishing and play-testing back in the better editions of White Dwarf back when I'd still been buying and collecting it.
That was it. The bastards had me again...
First it was the game. Then the initial six gangs. Then all my old models came out and saw the light of day for the first time in years...
And fifteen years later? White Dwarf is still an advert...

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I finished with my subscription a couple of months ago, this months is really the only one I want since it has Spearhead rules in (although, I don't see much time to play with lots of tanks..). But I used to think that it was WD that was keeping me in the hobby, but its not, its forums and friends...

EDIT: Also, I realised that when a new army was coming out, they seemed to "fix" it so that the new army won, but that is really just a advert trying to get the 9 year old to get mummy to buy it...

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I'm probably in the wrong crowd here, but White Dwarf is an excellent magazine. The articles are good, interesting, and well-written. The format is well laid out and there's a nice balance between adverts and features.

Yes they advertise their stuff, its their magazine, and okay I wouldn't mind a 40k battle report that didn't feature the Imperium, but it's still a good magazine.

You want a publication that's gone downhill, look somewhere else.

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If we're wishlisting about what would make WD great again then for me it would have to be well thought out battle reports with gamers armies, More actual words that are'nt just buy this it costs x amount (The picture content is far to high if i'm paying that much for pictures i 'll just buy porn)
A quick scan through the internet forums gives me more motivation to buy/ paint/ convert than WD does now which seems wrong for the foremost magazine promoting the hobby and if I want to feel pressured into buying new shiny stuff I'll just go to my local workshop as It's free (if you don't count noseplugs and aspirin.)

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The question isn't "Has White Dwarf gone down hill?" but how far down the poop chute has it slid?

It is a far, far cry from what it was to what it is now.
For us, here in the antipodes, it started its slide with the removal of the local team, and its replacement with generic, flavourless and generally wrong "battle reports" taken from the original UK edition.

Now it's just the UK edition with local pages at the back showing the stores, dealers and events that will be running (and in most cases, local prices for goods*)




* This months didn't show the prices for the two biggies of "spearhead".

The Fire prism and the manticore kits. A day before release, my local store still hadn't been told.

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