What scene? Nob biker armies suck because they can't deal with mech. I'll willingly forego my shooting with 1 or 2 tanks to block your movement and shoot you with the rest of my army. Seer Councils were good when psychic defense was rare and wasn't a pure 50/50 roll. To make seer councils work you need double fortune which means 2 Seers or Eldrad and most people don't run this which means it becomes unbalanced when you versus soemone with psy defense. People worry about Nob Bikers because they don't get game mechanics. Seer councils are worrisome becauase they can fit into balanced lists from a good book but no where near as much as they used to be. I'd rather versus a jetlock council Eldar list than pure mech.
Ya I've killed Councils. It's not exactly easy but when you have a balanced list with sacrifices, torrent, anti-psy and abilities like Null Zone, Councils are capable of being dealt with, just like TH/SS termies.
Fritz generally posts okay due to his understanding of 40k but he doesn't drop out uber competitive. Elfzilla (aka Wraithguard, Harlies, WLs) sucks. It has very limited mobility, poor anti-tank and poor cc ability outside of the Quins and expects you to land on it's anvil of Wraithguard and be counter-assaulted. It's not solid by any account, it's sub-par like all foot eldar.
And there is no meta-game. There is warhammer 40k 5th edition with players who understand the game mechanics and build balanced lists within those rule contrainsts (who are generally called WAAC, power gamers, cheesey and all that other crap for playing a tactical game...well tactically) and people who don't play to those constraits (either willingly or unwillingly; the unwillingly ones are generally the ones jumping up on down with the labels of cheese and OP whilst gamers like Fritz are more the willingly types).
Im Curious by Game Mechanics and how people dont know them when it came to Nob Bikers. I still see Nob Bikers, Lootas in Battlewagons, and some foot slogging boys with Mek work well.
Seer Councils still work well, theres alot of Meta Gamers (I use this term for anyone who has remembered the rules by heart and applies math hammer to their lists, nothing bad about them, I dont have that gift) who dont run enough Anti Psy to deal with a Eldar Player busting this list out in Tourneys.
I also said the Fritz harlie list is not Competitive, but Solid. I still think its Solid. Just my Opponion. I think Iyaden Writh Gaurd/Lords/Avatar/Eldrad list are Solid. Alot others dont. There is very few all comers beat all by Math Hammer list. Leaf Blower and Lash/PM/Oblits come to mind, but even they can be beaten by other list.
I have nothing against Cheesy Players/Meta Gamers. I always try to build a list that can compete. Like Fritz though I enjoy playing something different from the Copy Paste List that you see so much of that you and Kate were talking about earlier.
Let me know about the Nob Bikers deal.