you know, you can have a free gun (or 6) that can each fire 4 autocannons (and possibly other weapons as well) into anything at the end of the opponets move phase. including those units that have just DS. i think it is the new overwatch.
and IG defenders can have 18 Leman russ's.
in WD there was a 2000pt battle report, eldar vs guard and the attacking eldar won, but the guard very nearly prevented it at one point, before geting overwhealmed. the eldar units were also appearing, doing some damage then dying themselves. very bloody.
humm, true. This is yet again proof the Orks are smarter the Elves.