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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-13-15, 11:09 AM
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Huh, okay, I thought it was just the same thing available to Chaos with the weapon variations.

Only getting a proper save against Glances is kind of ass though - for 250pts you have to be really good at your job, and I'm not convinced that the Contemptor is that. By all means, give it a go, but it seems a fair bit overpriced for what you get.

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Thanks! And you're absolutely sure contemptors aren't worth it?

250~ points for one with two butcher cannons seems like a steal...
No, absolutely not.

Consider that for 195 points you can have 3 Rapier Batteries with Hades Autocannons. There are trade-offs vs. taking a dual butcher Contemptor, sure, but I consider some of the pros to be:

- 50 points cheaper
- 12 S8 shots instead of 8, which also cause Pinning
- A T7 unit which uses that toughness for the CSM crew/ablative wounds, i.e. isn't going to be insta-'sploded by a lucky lascannon or melta shot
- Pairs very well with a Crimson Slaughter Balestar Sorc for Twin-linked, Ignores Cover, or an Invuln Save; additional Leadership isn't a bad thing either

Sicarans are good. I'd leave 'em without sponsons personally, but between the two lascannons would be my choice for the reasons given earlier. The ability to ignore jink with a mid/high-strength weapon with Rending seems best used against vehicles, so heavy bolters would sorta be pointless.

I'm gonna pick up a Kharybdis for the Fist of Khorne formation. Not all that good, in honesty, but the only way we can deal a potentially fatal alpha strike. On their own, I think both of our drop pods are total shit.


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Chaos Fire Raptor is amazing. I just finished kitbashing my own. It's really, really powerful.

It's also really easy to sink a lot of points into.

My favorite configuration is with Reaper Autocannons and Balefire Missiles. If you have the points, Malefic Ammo is tasty, because now you're looking at Rending, but really, 8 Twin Linked Autocannons (at different targets) should do the trick, plus 7 Avenger shots. And then you tack on Ignore Cover Large Blasts just for icing on the cake. It's less than a Loyalist Land Raider, but makes an amazing flying tank.

Oh, and Strafing Run.

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What would people's consensus over the Fire raptor be?

I'd maybe swap the bolters for autocannons.. but that is about it?
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What would people's consensus over the Fire raptor be?

I'd maybe swap the bolters for autocannons.. but that is about it?
Giving it more than Reaper batteries seems like a surefire way to spend too many points on it. Besides, it doesn't need any other upgrades as it's amazing with Reapers.

Also everything Venomlust said is pretty much spot on.


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Okay, I'm sold on the Fire raptor with autocannon turrets... 210 points for that much carnage is too good to miss.

Next question.

2 rapiers with Hades autocannons for 130 points. Is this a good investment?
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I'm gonna pick up a Kharybdis for the Fist of Khorne formation. Not all that good, in honesty, but the only way we can deal a potentially fatal alpha strike. On their own, I think both of our drop pods are total shit.
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2 rapiers with Hades autocannons for 130 points. Is this a good investment?
Well, considering it's 50 points off a Forgefiend and +1 BS, and only loses out a bit on survivability...

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