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hello I am looking for help..
I am wanting to do a pre heresy 30k army/legion but I am having a hard time deciding what army to do and what army fits my play style. I am looking for an army that are a good all around army with good shooting and close combat and good vehicle combat. That had a primarch that is hard to kill and has good close combat and possibly ranged combat .. Can anyone Help me please
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Hey, first off, welcome to the 30k scene!

A word of advice before I go any further. For me, more than 40k, 30k is about a balance of fluff and tabletop ability. For example, you get more people playing the non-top-tier legions because they love the fluff/models than I think you do in 40k. Equally, if you are hoping for some game breaking tactics you are unlikely to find them here. There are some legions that are better than others but none that are so good that you may as well pack up when someone brings them, like you would with Eldar or something. Overall, it's much more balanced and generally a more even-keel mindset than 40k I feel.

Now that that preamble is out of the way, let's talk legions. At the moment the ones that probably best fit your bill are loyalist legions, namely the Imperial Fists or the Ultramarines. Both have quite good shooting and the Templars/Suzerines are murderous psychos in combat. Both Dorn and Guilliman are ok Primarch, probably not the hardest to kill but also not baby harp seals either. Guilliman is probably better than Dorn but the Imperial Fists Legiones Astartes is probably better than the Ultramarines.

On the traitors side, the Alpha Legion are a popular choice since you have the option of 4 special rules including infiltrate or tank hunter that you can give to your whole army, which can make them pretty potent. Iron warriors are a solid choice too and with all Volkite Terror Squad the Night Lords aren't slouches either.

Basically there's a couple from each 'side' that fit your brief, mainly because apart from a few special units all the legions get access to the same things so most of their ability in combat/shooting come from any rules they have and even if you doesn't have one rule the other does, then they both still have the same guns. I would have a look at the fluff of the legions and which ones have model/a paint scheme you like and then go from there because, odds are, your legion can do what you want it too regardless of which one it is.

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Your description of what you want is a little vague - you've said that you want good vehicles, good CC, good ranged combat, a tough primarch who's good at CC and ranged. You can't have it all
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Not that I dislike 30k at all, but isn't it more balanced because everyone almost has identical armies? I know there's little tweaks here and there for flavour, but marines are marines only seems to go so far with me.

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Not that I dislike 30k at all, but isn't it more balanced because everyone almost has identical armies? I know there's little tweaks here and there for flavour, but marines are marines only seems to go so far with me.
Nah, Legiones Astartes is pretty huge and the Rites of War (kinda like alternative Detachments) as well as the Legion-specific Troops can make all the difference. I think there's the potential to break the game just as much as in 40k (hello, Lorgar guaranteed to know Invisibility casting on a 3+), but 30k tends to attract a different playerbase who are less into the whole 'I am the greatest warhamsé who ever was or will be' mindset.

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(hello, Lorgar guaranteed to know Invisibility casting on a 3)
Sorry Lorgar's been nerfed he can't pick Telepathy spells anymore as per an FAQ.

All I can say to the original poster is not so much as pick the legion that plays well but pick one which you enjoy colour wise as you will paint a lot of it!

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Sorry Lorgar's been nerfed he can't pick Telepathy spells anymore as per an FAQ.
I don't think I'm going to cry over it, to be honest.

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Not that I dislike 30k at all, but isn't it more balanced because everyone almost has identical armies? I know there's little tweaks here and there for flavour, but marines are marines only seems to go so far with me.
Its [more] balanced because everyone has access to (basically) the same set of wargear. Its interesting because all the legions play pretty differently due to their legion specific rules and units. Its really not marine vs. marine at anything more than the surface level.
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I guess I'll give the Legion specific stuff another read to see how they tweak things. I noticed some different units in what I read over already as well as unique wargear, but calling this anything but a Marine party seems odd.

In reference to the topic of the thread though, think some of you more experienced 30k'ers out there could maybe list the Legions available and cliff notes on their strengths/weaknesses?

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This is a great summary of all the units, legion rules, and legion specific units.

http://warpstoneflux.blogspot.co.uk/...-page.html?m=1
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