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post #171 of 185 (permalink) Old 03-09-15, 10:41 AM Thread Starter
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When I think about it, after the ever rising price, the rules where an aspect that I found disappointing in the third edition, and the sanitized aspect too.

In term of rules, I began with the 2nd edition, and trough the third to the fourth, it was feeling like an endless downward spiral. Things seemed to get better afterward, and when I found out about sixth and seventh edition, I was beginning wondering how many times will pass before they reinstate all the rules of the 2nd.
they will never return to second edition rules, the second edition rules worked so well because it was a far simpler game back then, vehicles were almost non existent, flyers didnt exists, it was a small skirmish game using mostly infantry and had fewer armies and a much smaller number of available units, the game has expanded to include a huge variety of of things people wanted including, people look back at these times when they were younger with nostalgia and rose tinted glasses,we cant go back, the rules are what they are, and the rules back then had problems too,there were broken units and loop holes and things that could be exploited and im sure if we looked hard enough there are in other wargames, hell i have been playing FFGs Game of thrones board game second edition and its broken to shit, i still love every single minute of it that i have played despite Baratheon winning every game.



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hell i have been playing FFGs Game of thrones board game second edition and its broken to shit, i still love every single minute of it that i have played despite Baratheon winning every game.
Sorry to nitpick, but that's just wrong. Game of thrones is a self balancing game. As soon as one player starts doing well you're all just supposed to gang up on them until they're not doing well. Calling GoT 'broken' is like saying Munchkin isn't balanced.

Give the Dance of Dragons expansion a go. The Tyrells start off literally on the brink of victory, and I've still only seen them win a single game; even after 10+ games.

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As soon as one player starts doing well you're all just supposed to gang up on them until they're not doing well.
this is literally my friend group in any 3+ player board game. especially the strategy ones.
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this is literally my friend group in any 3+ player board game. especially the strategy ones.
You should see our group play Munchkin. The box says it's a 30-45 minute game, and we make it into a 4-5 hour game, and we all hate each other by the end.

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Sorry to nitpick, but that's just wrong. Game of thrones is a self balancing game. As soon as one player starts doing well you're all just supposed to gang up on them until they're not doing well. Calling GoT 'broken' is like saying Munchkin isn't balanced.

Give the Dance of Dragons expansion a go. The Tyrells start off literally on the brink of victory, and I've still only seen them win a single game; even after 10+ games.
it isnt wrong, its fact, we have played the game many times, different players for each house and evey standard game baratheon won, regardless of which player was using them, it wasnt a matter of whos "doing well", not to mention its a well documented by loads of players, check the forums, the game is flawed.
i think i have the dance of dragons will give it a go, we have swapped to feast of crows as its much better balanced and we are getting different houses winning each game.



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You should see our group play Munchkin. The box says it's a 30-45 minute game, and we make it into a 4-5 hour game, and we all hate each other by the end.
this is why we have the rule "what happens in the game, stays in the game" hehe

but to add my two cents to the discussion, big companies will always make a shitload of mistakes according to their "fans" look at almost every gaming forum... then again Forums tend to be
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I realy just about everything 40K related GW has brought in over the past year alone, the only issue I have is that I cant keep up anymore XD
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it isnt wrong, its fact, we have played the game many times, different players for each house and evey standard game baratheon won, regardless of which player was using them, it wasnt a matter of whos "doing well", not to mention its a well documented by loads of players, check the forums, the game is flawed.
i think i have the dance of dragons will give it a go, we have swapped to feast of crows as its much better balanced and we are getting different houses winning each game.
You're telling me you think the base GoT is 'broken', but the Feast for Crows expansion is balanced? What are you smoking and where can I get some? o.O

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

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You're telling me you think the base GoT is 'broken', but the Feast for Crows expansion is balanced? What are you smoking and where can I get some? o.O

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
well i dont smoke if that helps, but yes thats what im saying, if anything though this illustrates the point, your experience of the game differs significantly to mine and the players i play with, dont get me wrong we have enjoyed playing, but after numerous games thats the conclusions we came to, like i was saying about 2nd edition 40k some people hold it up as the holy grail, others dont.

I always think of GW like a summer block buster movie, It rolls up with a really enjoyable movie that makes loads of cash at the box office, loads of people go see it, they buy the pop corn and cokes and t shirts and sound tracks, the film might have some plot holes, the odd wooden performance, but for the most part people enjoy it and are glad they saw it , but it gets panned by the critics and ignored by the Award crowds at Oscar time.



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why would you take up a hobby that you cant afford and then complain about the prices???
Because, dear bitsandkits, when I took up the hobby, almost twenty years ago, I was able to afford it.

Then the price got higher. And Higher. And HIGHER.

And I just wasn't able to keep in the hobby. Here's why I complained. I was just flushed out YEARS ago and now, I couldn't get in even if I wanted to.

Your alternative seem legit to me, but now, I haven't played a game for a long time, because a lack of player in my neighborhood, lack of time, life happening and all that, and I've limited myself to read some BL publication, but as I said in my earlier post even their prices politics was getting weirder and weirder.
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...like i was saying about 2nd edition 40k some people hold it up as the holy grail, others dont.
Hey Bits, I don't think 2nd ed was the holy grail it's just the version I played the most and knew the best. And it was far better than the edition that replaced it. I remember exactly how awkward and unbalanced some of it was.

My comparison was mostly about the target age group and the kiddification of 3rd ed.

I think GW have, by and large, done a good job balancing the new game and source books for a more mature audience again.

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