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No what would happen is we would have 100 small copy-cat games without the 'global support' it would break down and slowly the hobby would die.


Anyway, not going to argue about it. I have said my peace.




Why they are doing it is another debate. And one I dont care to have.
Nah, man, you are missing the point.
We are the global support.
A million spin-off miniatures manufacturers are no threat to Warhammer,
but they may be to GW.
I collect GW miniatures and model them and paint them mostly out of nostalgia.
The rules system and the mythology are what hold the concepts and the agents (us) together in a coordinated fashion.
Current GW 'leadership' do not see this because they are blinded by material greed,
and so appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Now, we see this with the rise of the points shaving competitive gamer...
even the community is blinded and led along by a miniatures manufacturer to need new minis in order to keep up with a rules set which only serves to sell new minis and this cannot continue as the system will eventually become something else...
this is when GW will seem confused, sell off their miniatures manufacturing facilities or close them entirely, and say 'f-off' to the whole tabletop strategy genre.

Yeah, it'll get stuck in IP limbo for a century maybe, but the community may remain at large under a different not-for-profit non-corporate umbrella.
As far as I am concerned, it largely already does.

Which brings me back to my original post on this subject.
I am wondering if GW biz-heads have been able to pull their noses out of their money addiction
to see the long-term health and vibrancy of what had been and could remain a beautiful living thing
before they kill it dead and life takes root somewhere else.

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GW has seen some new leadership changes recently, and there has been an explosion of interesting products since.

Alas, i am not interested in keeping this up any further. I love Warhammer and am not a cynic when it comes to GW, i am quite happy, and well engaged.
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I love Warhammer and am not a cynic when it comes to GW, i am quite happy, and well engaged.
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GW has seen some new leadership changes recently, and there has been an explosion of interesting products since.

Alas, i am not interested in keeping this up any further. I love Warhammer and am not a cynic when it comes to GW, i am quite happy, and well engaged.
well, i am not so engaged and not so up to date on GW leadership changes,
though I seem to remember something about that last year sometime...
anyways, i began in this thread hopeful for a smart gw,
and got reminded that the wolf of wallstreet guides that hand.

it seems that for all the ip battles and court related expenses,
the goodwill and loyalty is there - i mean, if you have that, not need for copyrightable name changes and so on.. just introduce the new name.
this stuff only becomes an issue when loyalty is already cracking-
people are critical of gw leadership for a reason.

i would like to be more engaged - but am geographically challenged.
now, i mostly read da webz,
and maybe am colored by that hyperreality...
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it seems that for all the ip battles and court related expenses,
the goodwill and loyalty is there - i mean, if you have that, not need for copyrightable name changes and so on.. just introduce the new name.
this stuff only becomes an issue when loyalty is already cracking-
people are critical of gw leadership for a reason.
They are not defending just the IP, they are makeing sure the game as we know it isnt stolen by someone who wants to make a quick but of money..

I dont get how you think GW is just after money and the 3rd party, and other manufactures somehow give away the stuff for free! GW for the most part is one of the best in the price to quality ration (I know some are better, but not many)..

jin, Iam not sure what you do for a living.. but believe me when I say that in my book (and from company's that really do work for 'wallstreet'.. ) GW is a very bad investment and does only what it needs todo to keep a little additional investment flowing in. They do cater to the fans way before the Investors.

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Ok, as an old fan of the 40K 'verse, here he's what I have to say :

I dropped the game when I saw the price of the figs increased by 50% in less than two years. Then become 100% after 5 years with no real worthy excuses. Worse, I didn't seen any sign that things were getting better.

I still love the 40K universe, tought, and lately, I began to read some HH stuff, but what I saw in BL had me having some crazy tough.

I mean, here's an example, one of my favourite author, ADB writed an awesome novel, which is published in an anthology for 15.95 euro, with four other novels of various quality. (ranging to the meh to good.). Then, I went on the Black Library site, to see the same ADB novel sold for almost the same price but in an numerical format.

What. The. Heck ?

Considering that this format skip the price of the paper, the inking, and many other cost, it's just maddening to guessing what maddening economical tought presided over the publication politics of Black Library.

That the kind of stuff that leave just wandering about G.W. policies. They sold their figs as if they were made of gold or platinum, as if ecomonics didn't had crashed those ten last years. When they GW crashed and almost burn those last years, it didn't need any foresight or economical genius to saw that happening.
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I dropped the game when I saw the price of the figs increased by 50% in less than two years. Then become 100% after 5 years with no real worthy excuses. Worse, I didn't seen any sign that things were getting better.
Just look at the Oil price.

Plastics are controlled by that.

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Just look at the Oil price.

Plastics are controlled by that.
ummm, no.
oil has almost never been cheaper than it is right now.
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Ok, as an old fan of the 40K 'verse, here he's what I have to say :

I dropped the game when I saw the price of the figs increased by 50% in less than two years. Then become 100% after 5 years with no real worthy excuses. Worse, I didn't seen any sign that things were getting better.

I still love the 40K universe, tought, and lately, I began to read some HH stuff, but what I saw in BL had me having some crazy tough.

I mean, here's an example, one of my favourite author, ADB writed an awesome novel, which is published in an anthology for 15.95 euro, with four other novels of various quality. (ranging to the meh to good.). Then, I went on the Black Library site, to see the same ADB novel sold for almost the same price but in an numerical format.

What. The. Heck ?

Considering that this format skip the price of the paper, the inking, and many other cost, it's just maddening to guessing what maddening economical tought presided over the publication politics of Black Library.

That the kind of stuff that leave just wandering about G.W. policies. They sold their figs as if they were made of gold or platinum, as if ecomonics didn't had crashed those ten last years. When they GW crashed and almost burn those last years, it didn't need any foresight or economical genius to saw that happening.
Exactly this.
I read stuff online as my source of 40k info.
I read comments like this OFTEN!

Nobody near me plays warhammer - computer games are the rage in South korea.
Plus, the expense - some of the kids at the university have said exactly this...
I have asked some kids:
Have you ever heard of Warhammer?
They have said:
Oh, yeah. A friend of mine had like ten marines, and they were so expensive.

Why play 40k when you could have a killer gaming rig and do all sorts of stuff with it
FOR MUCH LESS MONEY?
(programming, even, porn is an option at that point,
thousands of games and video titles...)

Why play Warhammer?
Why care about it?

Has nothing to do with a plastics manufacturer.
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ummm, no.
oil has almost never been cheaper than it is right now.
Uh...... really? ........


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