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Getting back into 40k with 7th edition releasing. I've always been a casual player. However what I seem to see more and more are the arguments between casual and competitive players. I understand there are 2 very different polar opposite view points to the huge debate at the moment when it comes to what's wrong with 40k. But I've never had a chance to play in these large competitive tournaments. I kinda want to try it out! Maybe travel to a big tournament like adepticon!

What's the most competitive army?

Is there a clear cut winner? I know it's hard to judge as the new edition JUST released. But what were the most competitive lists? Will they have changed with 7th?

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I believe the list of choice that was flying around at the end of 6th was Eldar - 3-man units of Jetbikes to score Objectives on the last turn, a bunch of Wave Serpents with Guardians or Aspect Warriors of some kind, Warp Spiders, and a pair of Wraithknights. I never found it too troublesome, albeit in a slightly weakened form (only one Wraithknight, and some Wraithguard in Wave Serpents to compensate plus a Fire Prism), but that was the business. The other one was some Tau list of a Commander with a bunch of items so he gave out special rules like candy, some token Fire Warriors, then Riptides and Broadsides with some Pathfinders to give Markerlights. Also making appearances was Screamerstar (a bunch of Screamers with Forewarning and Grimoire), and White Scars (SM Bikes with Grav Guns).

Personally, I never found them to be ultra-good, but they were winning tournaments.

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With 7th just out it is hard to tell which is the most competitive. Right at this moment people are using the Daemon summoning list but I think this will probably be quickly countered. CSM helldrake spam is popular, necrons are also popular. My advice would be to find an army you like and build it as competitive as you can.


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Screamerstar hey? What are Death Star armies. Just big units of awesomeness?

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Basically, yeah. Some form of a re-rollable invulnerable save seems to be involved, as well. Very hard to kill.


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With 7th just out it is hard to tell which is the most competitive. Right at this moment people are using the Daemon summoning list but I think this will probably be quickly countered. CSM helldrake spam is popular, necrons are also popular. My advice would be to find an army you like and build it as competitive as you can.
I think at the moment people are *talking* about using a Daemon Summoning list. I don't know anyone who owns 100+ Lesser Daemons yet.

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I think at the moment people are *talking* about using a Daemon Summoning list. I don't know anyone who owns 100+ Lesser Daemons yet.
I know several, it is quite easy to achieve. I expect to see this from the same players that like the Tyranid Tervigon(sp?)/gaunt spam.

The new allies options make some very handy combos legal (Battle Forged) now. My own armies will almost certainly feature Necrons and Imperial Knights - Necron flyers, shooting and durability have always been hampered by short range and a general dislike for CC, something that IK excel at. 3 Monoliths and 3 Imperial Knights in a 2k game could be quite fun...

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I think at the moment people are *talking* about using a Daemon Summoning list. I don't know anyone who owns 100+ Lesser Daemons yet.

I know three that have over 100+ lesser daemons. I still think it will be a list that will be more annoying than good.


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I know three that have over 100+ lesser daemons. I still think it will be a list that will be more annoying than good.
That's my opinion also - killing a bunch of T3 guys with 4+ cover/5+ invuln saves is so easy it's not even funny. Perils is reasonably common even with Daemons, which is commonly overlooked. You can plonk a gorillion Pink Horrors on the field, but they don't actually do anything other than sit there and look weird.

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People could take 120 Horrors before. It was bad then, it's bad now.

Don't worry about "most competitive" armies, most books have a viable build or two now, except possibly BA. Play whatever you like.

90% of people think they are above average.

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