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But then again, so far I've won huge victories (Tabled the opponent by turn 2) and got my ass handed to me (tabled by my turn 3) with summoning lists, so I don't see the big hype so far.
interesting. if the trend goes on, that could become a very "Dark Eldar-ish philosophy" list: you either win big or lose bad
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I think, as i said many times before, that wh40k is NOT a competitve game and every person complaining about that and comparing the game to others rule set (say warmachines or malifaux)has not really understood this fact. This edition is even more free. you can fucking play with toy soldiers . no restrictions. unbound. and, hey, like FOC was limiting you (with allies, formations, dataslates, lords of war, kinghts, fortifications...)

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On TOPIC!!!
I think, as i said many times before, that wh40k is NOT a competitve game and every person complaining about that and comparing the game to others rule set (say warmachines or malifaux)has not really understood this fact. This edition is even more free. you can fucking play with toy soldiers . no restrictions. unbound. and, hey, like FOC was limiting you (with allies, formations, dataslates, lords of war, kinghts, fortifications...)
I am finding this view becoming more and more prevalent in the people who have decided to stick with 40k since the whole world is ending release of Escalation. If that didn't make you move away from the game, 7th edition with its opening up of armies and basically anything goes approach certainly wont make you move on.

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What amuses me about Daemon Summoning Spam is that like, a single Wyvern will blast it to pieces once the Guard guns take out your anti-tank (which is Greater Daemons and that's it, and you won't have enough big Daemons to take out all the 70pt Wyverns plus Scoring units and whatever other tanks the Guard are bringing).

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@humakt definitely
i'm the type of gamer that really despises perfectly balanced games (i hate dust, can't stand warma-hordes and so on)
I also despise the tourney scene of 40k, since it harbours many a penis-head. Altough i have to admit that is the fluff and the look of certain models that chains me to 40k...and not the rule system.

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I don't think there will be that much rage either. Tournaments will just ban unbound and go with just force org armies. Which there will always be dicks that try to make broken armies but generally unbound armies will let people create interesting armies and play campaign fun games. I think this will be fun.
That is happening short term, much like how everybody immediately wrote off 6th ed allies and said they would never see competitive play. Now that it's been established the rule isn't going away, allies are more and more commonplace in tournaments. I predict the same will eventually happen with Unbound armies.

Of course, Battle-Forged is also more flexible now, offering multiple detachments, and the Command Benefits those armies get. You want to spam 6 Elites (or whatever), the unlock is only the 2nd detachment of an HQ and 2 Troops. Continuing to shoehorn armies into effectively 5th ed FoC rules with 1999+1 (the point limit doesn't even exist in 7th now) builds and the like just isn't going to remain practical.

I'm by no means saying it's perfect, but I can see where GW is going with this...and why they wanted to get this "patch" edition out the door without waiting another few years for a normal edition cycle. The net effect will be more varied models on the table, and increased risk for min/maxed spam armies...both of which are good things.
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Whouldnt it be possible for tournaments to divide the lists into tiers and then people will only play against list from the same tier? Im thinking much like in Magic the Gathering:

Vintage - Unbound
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Whouldnt it be possible for tournaments to divide the lists into tiers and then people will only play against list from the same tier? Im thinking much like in Magic the Gathering:

Vintage - Unbound
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that would be really funny and also would make sense, definetely.

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Yeah I was wondering the same, why not have both options?


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Whouldnt it be possible for tournaments to divide the lists into tiers and then people will only play against list from the same tier? Im thinking much like in Magic the Gathering:

Vintage - Unbound
Legacy - FoC
Standard - FoC fluff army
Heroclix also does something similar with their "Modern Age" (the last several releases) and "Golden Age" (any release) game types. They support games and tournaments for both. Modern Age helps keep the inevitable power creep localized, while Golden Age lets people continue to use the minis they previously bought.

Something similar could certainly be done with Unbound and Battle-Forged lists. GW intended them to be balanced and mutually playable, but 7th will have to get out into the wild for a while before we can make any judgement on that.
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