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I'd like the Orks to get some love as the army is a little left behind but then I'd also like the Imperial guard book to not change too drastically as I can't be arsed to order the heads and other stuff I'd need if it get's a major rework let alone try and remember the paint recipies.

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Slightly bummed over the fact that I can't use Knights as they are now, but they were a hell of a release and are quite the badass mini.

The money I won't be spending on Knights that I don't need can now go toward Helbrutes and whatever other CSM releases that I don't need await us in the near future. I'm happy with what I've got, but new toys are always fun!


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Not denying GW has been pumping out lots of stuff.

It's just that it's not the stuff I was looking forward to, and the parts I can use (Adepta Sororitas and Inquisition) were ludicrously overpriced copypasta jokes.

So, no, I'm not a happy bunny. As for the rest of the game, I can live with having to deal with AV 15 and Strength D weapons at 1500 points, but what I feel are the biggest problems of this edition have never been addressed by any of the supplements, new releases or whatnot. Dare I say they have been made worse at times.
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Whilst the prices on the digi-dexes & data slates are still rather high, i think they've done a lot of good. It's nice that they can just churn these out and give us options that would otherwise be shoehorned into another codex (i.e inquisition).

All the recent releases seem to support the fact that they've realised a lot of players want to play interesting and individual armies, but still want rules to back them up. God knows how all these releases are affecting the competitive scene, but for those of us who just play the odd match it's great to have so much to choose from.

Not so great on the wallet though. My theoretical shopping list is getting pretty silly now.


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Seriously? Saim-Hann is only the easiest and most competitive build you can make in the basic Codex.

A *lot* of people are wanting supplements for their favourite army when their favourite army doesn't need a supplement. Pretty much all the Eldar Craftworlds don't need a supplement. Farsight Enclaves did, which they got, but I can't think of any other supplement you might add. Chaos Space Marines don't need any supplements.
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it
Supplements aren't needed, they add flavour.
In order to play Night Lords - all the chaos codex allows to do to try for a fluffy/themed list is to nerf yourself. The hallmark of Night Lords in 6th so far is that they *don't* take any of the options in the dex - no marks, no banners etc.
A supplement that gave some recognition to the fact thay they are every bit as unique as the Black Legion - who have their own supplement would be nice.
A Saim Hann supplement would also be nice - they're every bit as 'unique' as the Iyanden supplement.
I take it you've never tried to play a full Eldar aspect army? Biel-tan was my army from 2nd ed - aspect warriors were what got me into the game. Some of us would really like to play the eldar codex *and be able to win the odd game* without resorting to serpent spam, seer councils or wraiths. Something to make scorpions or banshees viable in game at all would be even better.
They are both supplements which were as necessary as the Iyanden supplement or the Black legion supplement. So yeah, we don't need them - But I'd like to see them added as flavour
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Ah, so we reach the actual problem.

You can quite easily run all-Aspect Warriors - they're in every slot. Will it be a good army? Fuck no!

People don't want supplements because they want flavour and theme, they want supplements to make their shitty pet army into the new Tau. Well sadly, that's not how the game works, and it never will. Some armies are better than others, and some units are better than others.

You can bring a perfectly viable Night Lords army with the Chaos Codex and make it as bad or good as you wish. Noght Lords have dudes with Marks and Daemon Princes and Sorcerors just like any other warband. See Uzas, Cyrion, The Exalted, Ruven, Krieg Acerbus. Yeah, some Night Lords like Sahaal refuse to worship Chaos, but even then they use it as a tool if it will improve their abilities. Others, like Acerbus, freely frolick with Chaos.

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Ah, so we reach the actual problem.

You can quite easily run all-Aspect Warriors - they're in every slot. Will it be a good army? Fuck no!

People don't want supplements because they want flavour and theme, they want supplements to make their shitty pet army into the new Tau. Well sadly, that's not how the game works, and it never will. Some armies are better than others, and some units are better than others.

You can bring a perfectly viable Night Lords army with the Chaos Codex and make it as bad or good as you wish. Noght Lords have dudes with Marks and Daemon Princes and Sorcerors just like any other warband. See Uzas, Cyrion, The Exalted, Ruven, Krieg Acerbus. Yeah, some Night Lords like Sahaal refuse to worship Chaos, but even then they use it as a tool if it will improve their abilities. Others, like Acerbus, freely frolick with Chaos.
It's not about making a new army into the next tau
It'd be nice if striking scorpions weren't a trap. It'd be nice to have a way of using Banshees. It'd be nice if there was a single actual slot in the codex where aspect warriors were a good choice.

But, if they made a biel-tan supplement, I would buy it and use it. If they made a Night Lord supplement I would use it.
*Even if the rules were worse* - why?

Because those are MY armies. They are the one's I've chosen and will stick with.

I would love to see a biel-tan supplement as I really want to know what GW will do with them - how would they try to sell them? What would they do to entice people to play them?
I used to have rules to be able to play them how I wanted - The Craftworld Codex and Chaos 3.5. And before you claim 'ooh chaos cheez player want 3.5 back - waah, big deal' The Night Lords got the stealth USR. Thats pretty much it. But it made them a little different than playing other csm's and that made me happy.

At the moment, I'm using the Black Legion codex to represent my night lords as I made all my Night Lords Chosen - the BL supplement means I can run my chosen as troops without taking Abaddon. I really enjoy paying on average 80-100 pts of my 2k list on VOTLW against tyranids/Eldar/Tau etc. But I'm playing the BL dex as it means I can field what I want to use. Is it good? not really, the BL supplement makes chaos worse (I know, I should just be taking 3 heldrakes every game...yawn)... But I still use it as it's nearer the army I want to fight with.
Biel-Tan is rumoured to be getting a supplement so I'm waiting in hope for GW.

Biel-Tan, Saim Hann, Ulthwe, Alaitoc, The Iron Warriors, The Night Lords, the Word Bearers and the Alpha Legion are every bit as deserving as Iyanden, the Black Legion, the sentinels of terra, the farsight enclaves, the legion of the damned and clan raukaan as far as supplements go.

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You can quite easily run all-Aspect Warriors - they're in every slot. Will it be a good army? Fuck no!
No shit, really? There are so many people who only want to play this game to lose as much as possible.

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Firstly, I'm not saying that Iron Warriors or Ulthwe are less deserving than Imperial Fists or Black Legion - I disagree with those supplements too.

Secondly, I'm not really sure what you're saying - you want a supplement with arbitrary differences just to make the army different? I don't follow - an Iron Warriors list from the basic codex is totally different from a Word Bearers list is entirely different to a Death Guard army.

Generally, I dislike supplements giving rules to the army that are already otherwise given by Special Characters - if there was a Deathwing supplement that made Deathwing Troops, it would completely invalidate Belial, and a Crimson Fist supplement that made Sternguard Scoring would hugely devalue Pedro Kantor.

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arbitrary differences just to make the army different
Thats what the supplements are.

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I don't follow - an Iron Warriors list from the basic codex is totally different from a Word Bearers list is entirely different to a Death Guard army.
Fair enough.
Ideally, I'd like to see more variation. Death guard are do-able in the chaos dex. Word Bearers can take cultists and ally in demons, Iron warriors can take allied guard for the extra heavy support, the alpha's could maybe take Huron and Cultists.
How do you make playing Night Lords seem different to Red Corsairs other than the paint scheme? If they had a supplement giving them their own warlord traits and artefacts I'd be satisfied.
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I'm not saying that Iron Warriors or Ulthwe are less deserving than Imperial Fists or Black Legion - I disagree with those supplements too.
I like the supplements, I'd like to see more of them. The BL supplement hasn't invalidated Abaddon for me - I still take him if I want to. But as I'm running my NL as chosen, the BL supplement has enabled me to take my night lords without abaddon. It's not taken anything away, now I have more choices.
If I want to run chosen as troops in a 2k game, it doesn't make a lot of sense for Abaddon to be there every single time. He might want a to book time off to go on holiday/move house/redecorate/put up skulls for the seasonal holiday etc
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He might want a to book time off to go on holiday/move house/redecorate/put up skulls for the seasonal holiday etc
The image of Abaddon lay on a beach sipping cocktails or putting up xmas decorations is fucking hilarious!


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