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But power fields on fortifications skew the field in a major way. You have a midfield bastion with power fields, your nids are covered in their whole advance.
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Well just so people don't judge me unfairly, I'm talking about bringing the best list I can create with my Codex versus the best list that someone else can create with the new Nid book.

Not going to the FLGS and playing a nublet who just picked up Nids and tabling him as hard as possible.

I'm talking tournament format, competitive game - not funsies.

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Played a game against Tau tonight. Spent longer working with the Tau player to try and figure out a list that might worry him then actually playing (game was lost by turn 2, tabled by turn 3). We couldn't come up with anything. The issue we ran into was that either the army's model count was too low (Nidzilla focus) or the army didn't have enough firepower/survivability to kill anything/get there (swarm focus).

So far the codex seems like a step in the wrong direction since I could at least give him a fight with the prior codex.

I was running (1500):

Prime
2x Venomthropes
2x Hive Guard
2x Hive Guard
Tervigon
30x Termagants
30x Termagants
3x Biovores
3x Biovores
Mawloc

Terrain was fairly thick (slightly more than a fourth) and we were playing Relic. I predict that this edition is going to be quite frustrating.

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I should add that the problem I'm seeing is in the fact that almost every army out-shoots Nid and Nid's survivability is in the crapper. With the amount of cover denial that armies have access to as well as the terribad saves on Nid everything just dies and we don't have the numbers to compensate.



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Being as the Harridan is absolutely awful, I don't think it's a major issue :/
The Hierophant isn't and it's only a small step up in points cost compared to the Harridan (we're talking Escalation here so 300PTS isn't that much) But the real interesting choices are the Hierodules imo. Also, just throwing this out there but aren't DISTRACTION CARNIFEXES viable again because of their points decrease?

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Distraction units are only good against bad opponents.

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Distraction units are only good against bad opponents.
I don't think he means Carnifexes run as a distraction - the block capitals mean he's referring to a bad meme from /tg/.

I think Carnifexes are pretty good now, 125pts for a Fleet Mc with a not-amazing but solid statline is entirely reasonable.

@Ryu_Niimura - I wasn't counting Forge World stuff as I'm still not sure what the official stance is. Secondly, it's all moot anyway, since even GW tournaments aren't using Escalation.

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The Yorkshire Open is using Escalation and Stronghold and all 40k Approved FW stuff, and as a consequence have lost my attendence his year.

And I'm unfamiliar with the meme, apologies.

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The Yorkshire Open is using Escalation and Stronghold and all 40k Approved FW stuff, and as a consequence have lost my attendence his year.

And I'm unfamiliar with the meme, apologies.
The meme originated in 4th edition if I'm not mistaking; Carnifexes were dirt cheap and could take the Extended Carapace (I thought that's what it's called but I'm not sure) upgrade for a 2+ save. This resulted in a fortress wall of Carnifexxes leading the charge and was considered completely broken. All the opponent could shoot at were the big heavily armoured beasties hence the meme DISTRACTION CARNIFEX

@Midnight; I don't think you should exactly because of that reason but I still think they are pretty cool^^.

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The Yorkshire Open is using Escalation and Stronghold and all 40k Approved FW stuff, and as a consequence have lost my attendence his year.
I thought you'd be in the best position to win such an event - Eldar are really good as standard, and you make out like bandits from FW with Warp Hunters and Nightwings as well as the obvious Revenant.

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So far the codex seems like a step in the wrong direction since I could at least give him a fight with the prior codex.

I was running (1500):

Prime
2x Venomthropes
2x Hive Guard
2x Hive Guard
Tervigon
30x Termagants
30x Termagants
3x Biovores
3x Biovores
Mawloc

Terrain was fairly thick (slightly more than a fourth) and we were playing Relic. I predict that this edition is going to be quite frustrating.
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I'll have to sit down with my codex, but that doesn't look like it should be 1500. My new list has 5MCs, and half again as many critters as that.

What exactly were you going for with that list? In my opinion, it looks like you were taking all the specialist bugs, but without what the specialist bugs are there to support. For instance, Mawlocs are much more reliable now if you take lictors to guide them in and stop them scattering. For the cost of 4 of those Biovores, you could have long range firepower that can actually crack light to medium tanks *or* kill troops, and doubles as not-bad in a fight. You're heavy on elites, too light on troops. And you only have two synapse creatures, meaning by turn two any Tau army will have your Feeders eating themselves and your lurkers (most of your army) seeking cover before you can shoot anything.

This new dex is going to take some working out, but everything has to work together. Some things are support bugs, some are attack bugs. Your list would appear to be 95% support bugs...

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