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Even if they did manage to bring down the ships, they'd just send an even bigger force later on, with Space Marines. The Imperial Guard and Imperium in general works on a war of attrition...

Or they would just declare exterminatus. Probably more cost effective since there is nothing here they would actually need to make another invasion force worth it.
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@lokyar http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...uclear_weapons where did you get your 30k nukes from? Void shields can take a nuke hit, also nuclear weaponry is not as effective in space as they show in movies, no air so no fireball and no shockwave. And what does radiation matter to environmentally sealed and 100% resistant space marine armor.
I don't understand why are people arguing that we would be able to fight them? Do you have to feel that we are superior even to a fictional universe? What are you basing your opinions on? The game rules? Well read some fluff, if it was a full scale invasion we would loose with in maximum of a day. They can obliterate all our forces from space, destroy the capitals and government seats before we can realize that they arrived. Earth does not stand a chance of resistance, be realistic
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I mean, we could probably take down about a hundred SMs out of a thousand, or a hundred thousand guardsmen out of untold trillions. That's if they don't just drop an OB on us and say goodnight.

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I mean, we could probably take down about a hundred SMs out of a thousand, or a hundred thousand guardsmen out of untold trillions. That's if they don't just drop an OB on us and say goodnight.
I doubt we'd even pierce their armor.

Our main military rifle fires a soft metal round coated in copper. I've seen rounds not even dent a 1" thick steel plate. space marine power armor is made of a ceramite titanium alloy the latter is used in vests today.

The only things that probably would penetrate astartes armor are M2's and a .50 AM rifle. Even then I wouldn't want to be the guy operating them.
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I doubt we'd even pierce their armor.

Our main military rifle fires a soft metal round coated in copper. I've seen rounds not even dent a 1" thick steel plate. space marine power armor is made of a ceramite titanium alloy the latter is used in vests today.

The only things that probably would penetrate astartes armor are M2's and a .50 AM rifle. Even then I wouldn't want to be the guy operating them.
I doubt those would pierce the armor either since the heavy stubber can't.
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You're understanding the part that a fighter isn't going to be carrying a huge warhead right?

The way I see it is this. Sure a fighter can carry a nuke but is it going to be carrying a warhead capable of piercing a shield?

Secondly you're overestimating what a nuclear weapon does in space. Since there's no air the shock wave is non existent and without an atmosphere the fireball burns out fast.


Seriously am I the only person who reads this shit.
You do understand I was pointing out that we could hit shit in orbit but at the same time implying it wouldn't help us any right?

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Hell, even if we managed to blow imperial ships out of orbit imagine the damage they would do on impact. That ship in Know No Fear ringing any bells for anyone?
Since those articles were pointing out the concern of a satellite hitting us, I imagine a ship of that size would be much more worrisome.

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I doubt we'd even pierce their armor.

Our main military rifle fires a soft metal round coated in copper. I've seen rounds not even dent a 1" thick steel plate. space marine power armor is made of a ceramite titanium alloy the latter is used in vests today.

The only things that probably would penetrate astartes armor are M2's and a .50 AM rifle. Even then I wouldn't want to be the guy operating them.
If a squad of guardsmen with lasguns (or cultists with autoguns) can take down a SM, so can an AK47 or missile launcher.

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If a squad of guardsmen with lasguns (or cultists with autoguns) can take down a SM, so can an AK47 or missile launcher.
In the game yes, but in fluff ten guardsmen are nothing compared to single space marine he would crush them like bugs. They wouldnt be able to hurt him.
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If a squad of guardsmen with lasguns (or cultists with autoguns) can take down a SM, so can an AK47 or missile launcher.
You are aware lasguns and autoguns are much more powerful that an AK 47 right?

Ak 47's are considered stubbers. They are not powerful enough to pierce astartes armor.
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You are aware lasguns and autoguns are much more powerful that an AK 47 right?

Ak 47's are considered stubbers. They are not powerful enough to pierce astartes armor.
Stubbers are pistols. Stub guns are pistols with s3, heavy stubbers are s4 three shots. So, either ak47s are pistols, or they are more powerful than autoguns (s3 rapid fire), or they are autoguns.

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In the game yes, but in fluff ten guardsmen are nothing compared to single space marine he would crush them like bugs. They wouldnt be able to hurt him.
That is an interesting idea, but ultimately it fails. I forget if it's the blood angels series by jack swallow or this one book about the grey knights, but the marines are assaulting a cult armed with autguns (equatable to lasguns) and one marine dies, with the main character and sergeant being badly wounded. So they can't hurt them? Interesting.

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