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In order for both players to have the same expectations for the game they should agree before the start that they are playing either 2a or 2b type lists.

Do you think simply agreeing on what type of game you will play before you start or even write your lists will help eliminate some of the malcontent people feel about triple Heldrake, etc?
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The problem you'll get though is that players with 3 Heldrakes or Necron flying circus lists will have spent a lot of time and money on their list so while asking for a game against them is up to you can you then ask that you dictate their list.
Most of the better generals at the club I go to have spam lists and thats all they'll play which means I'm lucky to get a draw, whereas the weaker generals normally feild fluffy stuff and my army usually tables them which I find dull, I would'nt expect either type of opponent to change how they play just to make my game better although if asked I'd offer advice to the fluffy gamers on competative list building and tactics.
I like to win but it's also important that both gamers have fun how do you find the balance?

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I can't imagine asking my opponent to play a certain style of list so the game is more fun. To me, that is the complete opposite of what strategy games are all about, but I also just went through the new Space Hulk game and beat every mission without losing a marine on Hard.

I want that challenge.

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Would you recommend that game?
Bit of a tangent but I don't want to waste all my cash on it if it sucks

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Why are these players not considered strong list builders who've managed to build powerful armies with relative points efficiency? Why are the considered amateur dicks with no creativity or generalsmanship? Is it because it seems some how easier to win with those armies?
I'm confused about how "Read Internet, take pre-built win-button Net list" makes somebody a strong list builder who "managed" to do anything other than read a few forums and pay dollars for Helldrakes.

It isn't like there's some complicated combo at play here.

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im my little club we try to teach the younger/new players to learn to use EVERY UNIT in there book...be it good or bad. i believe that even if a unit is bad "according to the net" it can still have a job to preform even if it a throw away unit...eg, in the old eldar i got told jet bikes were usless and so were guardians, now all of a sudden the rules change and every body basically takes the list the i was using in the old codex. the same goes with 5th ed and nobody liked plasma now its all the rage.

i find the people in my club like to win, but they win using tactics and can still have fluffy lists...it makes the game fun for everybody. but i guess it comes down to the local meta
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Most of the better generals at the club I go to have spam lists and thats all they'll play
That doesn't make them better generals, spamming powerful units to increase the % of winning does not make anyone better at the game, just lazier.

But then 40k is decided by the lists, not the game.

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That doesn't make them better generals, spamming powerful units to increase the % of winning does not make anyone better at the game, just lazier.

But then 40k is decided by the lists, not the game.
i wholeheartedly agree with this...in my opinion there is nothing more boring than playing against a person that is obsessed with mathhammer.
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If you were a general in the military, how would you feel if your commander in chief told you to utilize your wounded and sick just so that everyone in your command could be fielded?


Why is it that a strong general is ostricized for bringing strong units rather than lauded for building the strongest list his codex can make?


Does bringing the strongest units in your codex make you obsessed with Mathhammer?Does writing a list with the strongest units make you lazy?Does playing a list with the strongest units make you a bad general?

It seems like the answers to the three proceding questions are automatically assumed to be yes. I don't think that is fair. Sure, because of the internet, any player cab find a prebuilt strong list but someone had to come up with it originally. I think it should be complimented for a job well done and anyone who chooses to play that list should be thankful for the opportunity. Anyone who plays against it should consider it a challenge and adapt. Look to the armies in the Vietnam War for inspiration.

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As I asked before, it matters if you are playing casual or tourny. Tourny scene this is expected and assumed to be happening. If it is a casual game you are going to be playing against people that might be there to play their really fluffy army. Fluffy armies on average do not have spam and are not always streamlined to be the strongest possible.

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