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Most tourney lists are just copy and paste from internet forums and at the moment the majority of strong army lists are more about who can throw the most money at new models and codexes.
How can you say which player deserves to win based purely on tactics and results when there is such disparity between different army books.
Soft scores mean that players have to put at least something into army creation instead of just picking a list from the forum of their choice paying a fortune for flyer spam and walking over whatever army is put in front of them.
Sportsmanship scores make players realise that social skills are important too far to many players seem to think that they can act like they do on faceless internet forums and treat others without even common curtesy in there desperate need for a win with toy soldiers making a veneer of civility matter at least tempers some of the rudeness.

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I'm sorry, but neither Sportsmanship scores nor Painting awards help to avoid dickheads with too much money winning tournaments, because if you can afford to buy 5+ flyers, you can afford to get your army comission painted, and so long as you're not a total mong, you won't at least get penalties to your score on the sportsmanship front.

Of course, you could be a good painter, a nice guy, and happen to have lots of money to spend. In which case you're getting a leg up on all three fronts instead of just one. Again, a good argument against their inclusion.

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So basically which ever way you look at it tournaments are shit?
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Depends on what you want from the games you play if your a beer and pretzel player just happy to throw dice around with your mates then generally yes there shit as your forced to play random people many of who are the complete opposite of you.
If you like competative play then you may enjoy the tourney scene as you'll probably come up against some decent tough competition unfortunately in my experience you'll also meet a fair few dicks with bare minimum social skills which makes the hour or so your playing them an irritation rather than an extension of a fun weekend.

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Depends on what you want from the games you play if your a beer and pretzel player just happy to throw dice around with your mates then generally yes there shit as your forced to play random people many of who are the complete opposite of you.
If you like competative play then you may enjoy the tourney scene as you'll probably come up against some decent tough competition unfortunately in my experience you'll also meet a fair few dicks with bare minimum social skills which makes the hour or so your playing them an irritation rather than an extension of a fun weekend.
If you're a beer 'n' pretzels guy, I would suggest that tournaments probably aren't the event for you. Look for a campaign weekend instead, you'll enjoy yourself much more at a non-competitive event.

In my experience, most people are pretty well mannered at competitive events; there's only ever been one or two people I've encountered that are legitimately either cheats or aggressive. The vast majority of people are fine, and frankly you're quite likely to come up against dicks outside of a tournament- that's not an element of competitive 40k, it's a part of life. The only difference is in how you decide to handle them- you can either let it get to you, or you can proceed to utterly manhandle their cut-n-paste army that they have no idea how to play.

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So basically which ever way you look at it tournaments are shit?
I'd take it as a courtesy if you didn't try to inaccurately paraphrase my point of view into a single perjorative phrase.

I'm simply giving my reasons as to why I believe Painting and Sportsmanship scores do nothing but harm the international tournament scene when combined with scores from gaming to determine a winner.

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I fail to see how soft scoring really changes the score so severely that people are that upset about it. If its part of the tournament rules then its part of the rules. You might as well complain about people spamming lists built by pro players that other people steal cause they didn't make them themselves if you want to complain about commission painting. If you don't have time to learn to paint your models to a high standard, you could just as easily claim its unfair cause you don't have time to practice the game enough. It seams like an easy thing to get around... you get X number points for something that you are already doing... YEHA! Oh, you didn't do these basic things that are expected? Well you miss the free points...

And as far as people being dicks or not, I think if someone was being a true dick he would get kicked out. The award is there for that guy that keeps the places mood good while everyone is stressing out over rules. I have a guy that does that in my Army unit. If someone is being an outright ass then he gets a stern lecture, that's completely different from what the award is for.

Just my 2cents, Felt like magpie was all alone so i tried to give him a look out sir.

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I'd take it as a courtesy if you didn't try to inaccurately paraphrase my point of view into a single perjorative phrase.
Well let me recap it for you then.

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I'm sorry, but neither Sportsmanship scores nor Painting awards help to avoid dickheads with too much money winning tournaments, because if you can afford to buy 5+ flyers, you can afford to get your army comission painted, and so long as you're not a total mong, you won't at least get penalties to your score on the sportsmanship front.
So you're saying that Tournaments are won by dickheads with too much money who buy an unbeatable army, win the painting comp by paying someone else to do the work and are able to avoid being a total mong.

Ergo tournies are total shit because they are not "... a chance to compete for a prize, by being the best player there, with the measure of "best player" being determined by how many games you win, and how much you win each game by. " but rather, by your own definition, a comparative measure of one's wallet.

So a tournament is basically pointless and you may as well just turn up with your income tax return.

To my mind the way around all of this is to insist on fluff based armies which removes the power builds and hence the income disparity, but of course that is the complete antithesis of your average "competitive players".

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Just my 2cents, Felt like magpie was all alone so i tried to give him a look out sir.
Cheers mate, sadly I'm not that special so it's 4+ only for me.

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I had a proper weirdo at an event I was at that was not only aggressive, he felt he should show me his wolf tatoos on his chest every 10 minutes sying how he was a proper space wolf as he was drinking a beer or two... except he forgot his space wolf army so had to borrow a friend's salamanders...

I think soft scoring should be included but it should be so many points that it lets someone who only won 2 games beat someone who won all 3, but more as a tie breaker thing

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LOL, how does one go to an event and forget your army !!!!! ?????
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