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Now I'm talking about tanks not flyers or huge things like land raiders. More like rhinos and raiders. To me the wave serpent is the best with good armour and good shooting combined with great movement and survivability. Id to see if people agree or if the can come with reasons as to why such a tank is better. This is just for fun so enjoy

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I'm not sure if it's the best, but the Chimera gets my vote. 55pt AV12? Sweet. Let's any six units inside shoot their guns from the hatch? Hello drive by meltas!
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I don't know a world about Wave Serpents, but if you want a fair comparison wouldn't you want to include everything? Sure, LR's are beefy in armour, but they are way expensive for points and if you're not playing BA likely take up a heavy support option. Same with flier transports, sure they rule for mobility (I'm thinking of the Night Scythe here, what a jerk) but they sure do have their drawbacks that might still keep the Wave Serpent on the ups overall.

When I get home I'll creep an online dex and answer with more post related detail later.

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If you are talking Dedicated transports...Chimeras, Devilfish, and you have to include the Nightscythes. Both are good comparisons to the Wave Serpent as a transport.

Now if you are talking about the light tank abilities, then the Wave Serpent excels at that role, but for quite a hefty price tag for a transport that is not a flyer.

If you want to throw out non-dedicated transports then the Land Raider does it's job well. AV14 all around and an assault vehicle to boot. It will almost certainly get it's cargo there in one piece.

All that said the Wave Serpent is at the top of the pile.

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The Wave Serpent is good. But I would actually go with the Ghost Ark for a Dedicated Transport. Sure, it limits who can ride in it, but is slightly cheaper than a Wave Serpent for 1 better AV on all sides. It's open-topped, so the passengers can defend it. And if you are carrying 10 Warriors, it can pump out 40 Gauss shots if you're in Rapid-fire range. And let's not forget that it replenishes nearby Warrior squads.

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Scatter laser serpents are very very good. So good in fact that IMO they completely neuter one of the Eldar Heavies, the falcon.

Their speed, enhanced jink, shield and super long range tsunami wave makes them a great unit. They are not cheap though.

That said the Nightsycthe is probably better, just because its a flyer and so cheap. The Chimera is cheap as well but far more vulnerable
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I'd say the Rhino's the best. The Wave Serpent is the best tank with a transport capacity, but as a transport, you can't beat the 35pt Rhino to get you from a to b. Sometimes, you just want a transport to transport, which a Rhino does at an extremely low points cost.

Sure, power-wise and as a tool, the Wave Serpent's the best purely because of it's heavy armament, but for specifically transport purposes, Rhinos are hard to beat.

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best transport is rhino... best 'Tank' that isn't a 'Tank' is the waveserpent, but is 2/3 times more expensive (don't have a codex out)... and buy far the best mix of the two is a chimera.. but again it is something in nothing
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Well let's open it for all transports then. (including flyers). lets start which is best from getting a unit from a to b without killing itself or its passengers. Later we can go for survivability and power

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Yes, yes it is.

130pts buys you 9-14 S6/S7 shots all twin linked, some with Rending, some with Ignore Cover and Pinning.

For comparison, a BA Dev squad only puts out 4 S8 shots for exactly the same price, but isn't a Fast Skimmer AV12 Tank with 3HP and a 5++ just for moving that doesn't take up a FoC slot.

If you put an equal amount of points of Serpents and Chimeras on the table, I guarantee you that the Chimeras would roll over with very few losses to the Serpents.

The only other serious contender for the title is the Night Scythe - which isn't really fair considering that Flyers are in their own category of overpoweredness even without recourse to the stupidity that is the rules for embarking/disembarking from the Scythe. Sure, they're powerful and almost impossible to kill in multiples, but Serpents are on the table from turn 1, can move freely, put out more firepower, and have more weapons, so I'd rather have them.

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