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the god emperor thread got me thinking

if the world militaries united against a space invasion by the imperium (full powered) could we last against them?

maybe even defeat them
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I think they'd have us out numbered a bit
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I think they'd have us out numbered a bit
We'd run out of weapons & ammo before they ran out of Guardsmen.
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I think out numbered and out gunned in most aspects. But if we had similiar numbers our lesser trained armies vs the gaurd and elites vs the marines and whatnot i think we would still lose



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We would win, I'd kick the Imperium's ass. I had Taco Bell for dinner so my gas alone could choke and kill the entire Ultramarines chapter.
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Assuming the usual physics problem metaphorical "frictionless in a vacuum" kind of thing, in this case man-to-man, tank to tank, so forth.

I think we'd crush the Imperium's military. Their infantry tactics are singularly terrible (they rely WAY too much on either static defense or overwhelming numbers at the cost of individual prowess aside from Stormtroopers).

Laser weapons cauterize their own wounds. We don't use bullets because they're super cool, we use them because a hollowpoint round will blow a hole the size of a fist through a dude, and AP rounds will cause a great hole that'll bleed badly. A lasgun won't do that.

Their air force is big, bulky, and relies on visual range to fight. The last time our jet fighters NEEDED visual range to engage the enemy was Vietnam.

Their armor is hugely ineffective- the Leman Russ' side skirts have an angle of approximately 0 degrees. That means whatever armor they have on it, the Leopard II or Merkeva's will be vastly superior thanks to the angles of the plates. The battle cannon is more of an artillery weapon than a proper tank killer.

The Imperial Guard only exists to soak up the damage while the Astartes or elite units move into position- without those elements, say battalion to battalion in the middle of Kentucky, they'd get wasted.
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Side of a Leo II and Merkava are vertical as well ?

Is Ceramiite inferior to Chobham Armour ?

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Is it just me or does this (and another of Emperorguard's recent threads) sound very similar to ones he posted some time ago in Fluff?

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Side of a Leo II and Merkava are vertical as well ?

Is Ceramiite inferior to Chobham Armour ?

Sure, let's just ignore the 1.38 meter difference in skirt height- as well as the fact that the Russ's front armor isn't particularly sloped either, and has an angular, flat turret, and sponsons that would trap shells, and focus on that.

And ceramite is a ceramic composite- the lower quality version is used to make Guard flak armor. It's main principle (according to Lexicanum) is it disperses heat very well. It does say it's resistant to shock, but I'd hazard that a sabot round hitting a Russ dead on in it's flat face would go right through it and out the other end.

Oops, also forgot- the Russ's max speed on road is a staggering 35 kph, or around half of what a modern MBT can manage.
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Is it just me or does this (and another of Emperorguard's recent threads) sound very similar to ones he posted some time ago in Fluff?
Probably.
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