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Default Horus Heresy list vs. 40k list

I have ordered the new Forge World book - Horus Heresy: Betrayal and looking wery much forward to receiving it.

The question goes however, how would you as a 40k player react, if you where to play against a list from the above mentioned book?

1. Would you say no: "I don't even want to try that"?
2. Would you ban you opponent from using his/her Primarch?
3. Would you ban him/her from using super-heavies?
4. What about the changes to the FOC slots? Would he/she have to use the 40k FOC?
5. Something else you would demand before you would play the person.

I think it would be good to hear the community's opinion on the subject, after all the game is way funnier when you have someone willing to play against and with you

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I'm not to sure how the book is laid out for FOC or superheavies. obviously primarchs will have a super advantage but I don't see it being something that would prevent me from playing. In apocalpse games I have I have placed 3,000 points of orks on the table against a reaver titan and didn't think twice about it. In fact is was a great game, I lost violently, but still very fun.

The only thing that I would be opposed too would be the fielding of superheavies in a normal game. The durablitiy of structure points versus standard vehicles with hull points is unbalanced at best. Though I do keep a baneblade in a locker for such moments in life.

I believe that if you were to explain were and how the differences in your heresy list vs. standard list would be to a player that player would be willing to give it a shot. You can always be cool about it and let the proxy in a primarch of there own using your book to counteract you bring a god for the lack of better terms.

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1. Would you say no: "I don't even want to try that"?
Well no, why would I. As long as my opponent seems like a nice person to play against there's no reason to decline this particular challenge. Also, quite a few lists from regular 40k can easily lay waste to a Betrayal list.

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2. Would you ban you opponent from using his/her Primarch?
A difficult subject really. The standard 40 codices have nothing comparable they could field in their place. But then again, it isn't even needed. The bigger the games points limit, the more heavy firepower will be avaiable to bring down a primarch. So, I'd prolly decline facing them in a game of 2.000 pts., but considering larger games or even Apocalypse their respective prowess should become more or less diminished.

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3. Would you ban him/her from using super-heavies?
Betrayal let's you bring 'Super Heavies' to the table in games that are clearly not Apocalypse per se. For example, it's perfectly possible to integrate a SH into a list of 2.000 points. For fairness sake, I'd ask my opponent to only bring them in games of Apocalypse size (3.000+ pts.). Then everything should be fine, really.

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4. What about the changes to the FOC slots? Would he/she have to use the 40k FOC?
I'd politely ask my opponent to use the standard 40k FOC when facing 40k armies.

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5. Something else you would demand before you would play the person.
Beer.

No really. If both players are in the mood for a mixed game of HH / 40k then who's going to stop you ? Of course, it's perfectly possible for situations to arise that'd need a house rule or two, but for a friendly game it should be fine.
The only place I probably wouldn't like to see HH lists would be at a tournament I guess, if only for the confussion that would follow for some people. Speaking of which ... a HH only tourney could be nice though ...

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The list is very different to a standard 40k marine list.
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Word Bearer 81007 and Sworn Radical thanks for your opinions on the subject.
Regarding the Primarch's point wise, they are around 400-500 points each and can only be field in a army of around 2000 points or more.
For 500 points you get close to 100 IG troopers or 3 LMRBT, wouldn't that be fair against a Primarch?
Regarding the Super-heavies I understand why you don't want to play against them in normal games.

Ps. Words_of_Truth, why are you posting this? Please write your opinion on the subject instead, I would very much like to hear it.

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I'd be happy to play a regular 40k game against heresy era, I mean orks, eldar, and possibly necrons were all doing well for themselves, only fair to play against the xenos

Lords of War choices should be apoc only though

My book will hopefully arrive this friday or next monday so that may change my perception
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I posted because they are deliberately at a different scale, the 30k army is based on legion organisation while 40k is a lot smaller. I don't think it would be balanced, it's like using a an apocalypse army vs a normal 40k army.

I have the book btw.
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1. Would you say no: "I don't even want to try that"?
Absolutely not. Anybody who stops you from playing your army is being ridiculous; it'd be like refusing to play a Necron player, or a Grey Knight player, because you don't like the army. This is *not* Apocalypse, it's a new army list.

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2. Would you ban you opponent from using his/her Primarch?
I personally wouldn't. However, it would be nice if my opponent at least offered a choice; a Primarch list or a non-Primarch list. I would offer the same (once my army comes together!). Primarchs are already restricted in their use, however; they can't be more than 25% of the army, and they're very expensive. I say this is enough of a restriction without having touchy opponents.

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3. Would you ban him/her from using super-heavies?
Again, personally I would love to face a Reaver Titan. I think any opponent who denies you from using your 500 model is a total dick. I can understand some people might be adverse to, say, a powerful Baneblade equivalent, but I wouldn't have any problems.

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4. What about the changes to the FOC slots? Would he/she have to use the 40k FOC?
I would let my opponent use whatever, but I can see why some people don't want to face 4 Elites in <2000pts. That's why I personally will be sticking to 40k FOC even when playing a 30k list.

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5. Something else you would demand before you would play the person.
I'd ask that they explain what every unit is, and what it does. I would extend the same courtesy with my own army; I'd do this for every game, not just those against 30k lists. It's just polite!
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From what I've heard though legion forces are far less tactically flexible than codex marines. so its like playing powered armoured eldar lists

Primarchs are not that pricey if you think about it <2000pts slightly tricky but 2000 and more easy fit, the can easily mulch any elite unit to earn points back, plus their army wide improvements, seem reasonable value to me
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I have ordered the new Forge World book - Horus Heresy: Betrayal and looking wery much forward to receiving it.

The question goes however, how would you as a 40k player react, if you where to play against a list from the above mentioned book?

1. Would you say no: "I don't even want to try that"?
Wouldn't mind at all. always fun playing against "new" armies.

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2. Would you ban you opponent from using his/her Primarch?
Nope... Necrons have enough nasty surprises to deal with army-eaters like a Primarch.

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3. Would you ban him/her from using super-heavies?
See "nasty surprises", above. And I could always bring a Pylon...

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4. What about the changes to the FOC slots? Would he/she have to use the 40k FOC?
I'd have to work it out in advance withe the HH player, but I'm sure he could still use his FOC.

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5. Something else you would demand before you would play the person.
That everyone have fun?

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