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post #121 of 186 (permalink) Old 06-18-08, 09:48 AM
 
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Is the Blood Angel PDF codex the 5th Ed. one??
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Eldar already have a fifth edition codex so they won't be affected at all. The rumors are about space marines and I don't actually believe them.



By that logic, all Eldar armies should be required to take three harlequins squads. It's in their best interest, so why not force them to?

And do you know how the contesting rules work? You can easily contest and win by victory points without a single scoring unit. Well, they're not actually called victory points anymore, I forget what the term is, but their fifth edition equivalent.


See, that's the problem with rumours lol.
I'd heard that all scouts were going to be elites, which makes less than no sense.
With Space Wolves, I can ALMOST see it, since their scouts were Grey Hunters who went on to other things. But really, even their scouts don't have enough special abilities and whatnot to make them elites.
With regular marines though, scouts are marines who aren't fully-developed yet and haven't earned their armour. Making them elite is... silly.
Unless they want to go in and change all of the established fluff of course... in that case, I have several novels and two codices (one 3rd, one 4th) to send in for replacements.

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hmmm, well troop units being the only units still doesn't make sense to me if for no other reason than that if somethin can contest an objective then what makes it unable to hold it.

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See, that's the problem with rumours lol.
I'd heard that all scouts were going to be elites, which makes less than no sense.
With Space Wolves, I can ALMOST see it, since their scouts were Grey Hunters who went on to other things. But really, even their scouts don't have enough special abilities and whatnot to make them elites.
With regular marines though, scouts are marines who aren't fully-developed yet and haven't earned their armour. Making them elite is... silly.
Unless they want to go in and change all of the established fluff of course... in that case, I have several novels and two codices (one 3rd, one 4th) to send in for replacements.
I believe Scouts are still troops just now they have reduced skills. If the were moved to elites it does make sense because scouting is a specialised role and can't be done well by basic troops. Also with infriltrating and such they would be able to hold an objective earlier. Also the 10th company is rarely full so they would not be able to be fielded in large numbers. Similar to the 1st company but more than likley less members in it.....

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hmmm, well troop units being the only units still doesn't make sense to me if for no other reason than that if somethin can contest an objective then what makes it unable to hold it.
I think the reason would be is most armies would use there best troops ie elites to take an objective but they wouldn't use there elites to hold it that would be down to the normal troopers

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In history, armies have used what you might consider "elites" and " heavy support", even "fast attack", to hold positions. Attricion happens, and you have to use what you've got.

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Hell, from an IG point of view, I'd DEFINITELY use a Basilisk to hold an injective as I moved ahead.

Artillery is supposed to be in the rear-line anyway.

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It's making the game's action happen between the big guys. They clear an objective, the basic guys get there, hold it, the elites are off again to do more.... I think its a good idea as there was a lot of holding back with elitist units in my club....

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It's making the game's action happen between the big guys. They clear an objective, the basic guys get there, hold it, the elites are off again to do more.... I think its a good idea as there was a lot of holding back with elitist units in my club....
Exactly, imagine your airborne troopers dropping in to secure the objectives then the rest of your force moves in and hold the objectives while your other guys go off to risk their lives again.
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Most people who whinge about only troops being able to hold objective would be the people with only 2 troop choices, which would mean changing there army.

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